Differential Geometry Question

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The original poster attempts to find an explicit unit-speed non-degenerate space curve in three-dimensional space, characterized by specific curvature and torsion functions, both defined as \(\kappa(s) = \tau(s) = \frac{1}{s}\). The problem involves the application of Frenet equations to understand the relationship between the tangent, normal, and binormal vectors of the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the Frenet equations and explore the relationships between the tangent, normal, and binormal vectors. There is an attempt to express a vector in terms of constants and the tangent and normal vectors, leading to considerations about the dot product and its implications for the curve's characteristics. Some participants suggest that the curve may be a helix based on the relationship between torsion and curvature.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and exploring various approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of vectors and their relationships, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or a definitive direction yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, specifically the requirement for the curve to be unit-speed and non-degenerate, while also adhering to the defined curvature and torsion functions.

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Homework Statement


Find an explicit unit-speed non-degenerate space curve \vec{r}:(0,\infinity)\rightarrow\Re^{3} whose curvature and torsion \kappa,\tau:(0,\infinity)\rightarrow\Re are given by the functions \kappa(s)=\tau(s)=\frac{1}{s}.

Homework Equations


the only thing that I can think of that would help us here are the Frenet equations:
t'=\kappa n
n'=-\kappa t -\tau b
b'=\tau n

The Attempt at a Solution


If we are to have \kappa(s)=\tau(s)=\frac{1}{s}, then we must have
t'=\frac{1}{s} t and
b'=\frac{1}{s} t, thus
t'=b'. I'm not sure what to do after this point, as I messed with these equations for awhile to no avail.
 
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hi dahaka14

from your frenet equations you have
\textbf{t}'=\kappa \textbf{n}
\textbf{b}'=-\tau \textbf{n}

write down a vector a, with some constants c & d we will choose
\textbf{a}= c\textbf{t} + d \textbf{n}

differentiating
\textbf{a}'= c.\textbf{t}' + d .\textbf{b}'= c .\kappa .\textbf{n} - d.\tau .\textbf{n} = \frac{1}{s} (c-d) \textbf{n}

so choose c=d and the vector a is constant, might as well make a a unit vector so set:
c = d = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

now think about the dot product of a with t and what this means...
hopefully this helps you get started...
 
The dot product should give
\textbf{a}\cdot\textbf{t}=c\textbf{t}\cdot\textbf{t}=\frac{\textbf{t}\cdot\textbf{t}}{\sqrt{2}}

I'm not sure where to go from here. The only thing that I have been able to think of is that perhaps the curve should be a helix, since a helix is such that \frac{\tau}{\kappa} is constant.

Edit: that LaTeX image should have:
torsion/curvature=constant
 
yeah i think you are on the right track, as i understand it a general helix is defined as when \frac{\tau}{\kappa} is constant, which is equivalent to the tangent vector making a constant angle with some vector, say a, which is what your dot product shows as t.t = 1

Not 100% where to go, but picking an aribtrary (a), then for s=0, a starting t which matches your dot product could be a good place to start
 

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