Differentiating twice with respect to x

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function z = sin(x) twice with respect to x. Participants are exploring the application of differentiation rules in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the product and chain rules in differentiation, with some questioning their applicability in this scenario. There is an attempt to clarify the relationship between variables and the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of the question and the differentiation rules, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a larger context involving second order differential equations, which may influence the interpretation of the problem. Participants note the absence of a variable y in the original question, prompting further clarification.

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Homework Statement



Differentiate twice: z = sinx


Homework Equations



Product rule
Chain rule

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = dy/dz * dz/dx

dy/dx = dy/dz * cosx

Using the product rule:

d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cosx - dy/dz * sinx

According to the answer in the book the answer is: d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cos^2x - dy/dz * sinx but I don't see how.

Thanks for any help.
 
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Why are you considering the product and chain? Product is used when you find the derivative of a product f.g , and chain is used when you have an expression f(g(x)),
and I don't see how you have either of these.
 
Ok. You're right that I don't use the chain rule but the product rule is used when differentiating dy/dx = dy/dz * cosx since there's 2 parts which both have variables.
 
sooty1892 said:

Homework Statement



Differentiate twice: z = sinx


Homework Equations



Product rule
Chain rule

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = dy/dz * dz/dx

dy/dx = dy/dz * cosx

Using the product rule:

d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cosx - dy/dz * sinx

According to the answer in the book the answer is: d^2y/dx^2 = d^2y/dz^2 * cos^2x - dy/dz * sinx but I don't see how.

Thanks for any help.

You need to be more careful when posing questions. The question you wrote has no y in it anywhere. Did you mean "find d^y/dx^2, when y = f(z) and z = sin(x)"?

RGV
 
I think I do. This is part of a much larger second order differential equations question where z = sin(x) is a substitution.
 

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