Differntiable at point problem

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The discussion revolves around proving the differentiability of the function f(x) = x/(3x + 1) at the point x = 2. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of the difference quotient and differentiation rules.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to use the difference quotient Q(h) = (f(h) - f(2))/h but finds the result unsatisfactory, leading to confusion about the differentiability.
  • Another participant suggests using the correct form of the difference quotient Q(h) = (f(2 + h) - f(2))/h to evaluate the limit for differentiability.
  • There is a mention of the derivative obtained through standard differentiation rules, dy/dx = 1/(3x + 1)^2, which raises questions about the consistency with the difference quotient approach.
  • One participant expresses frustration about not achieving the expected simplification when applying the limit process.
  • A later reply indicates a moment of realization after taking a break, suggesting that a fresh perspective helped clarify the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to prove differentiability, and there remains uncertainty about the application of the difference quotient and the simplification process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct application of the difference quotient and the simplification steps necessary to demonstrate differentiability at the specified point.

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f(x) = x/(3x + 1), prove f(x) is differentiable at point 2.

Ok so I've had several attempts at this...

Using Q(h) = (f(h) - f(2))/h

I eventually end up with (h^2 -2h)/(7(3h + 1))

Obviously the above is rubbish because it I differentiate f(x) using the normal rules then

dy/dx = 1/(3x + 1)^2

What am I missing here?

Also I've tried using the difference quotient to prove it is differentiable but same result - just rubbish.

f(c + h) - f(c)/ h

The above also doesn't work out either! Please hep!
 
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So you have the function f(x)=\frac{x}{3x+1} and you know that a function is differentiable at a if its derivative exists at a. You also know that

\left.\frac{df}{dx}\right|_{a}\equiv \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h}=\frac{\frac{a+h}{3(a+h)+1}-\frac{a}{3a+1}}{h}

If you simplify this does it match what you expected by using the rules you know? When you take the limit does that prove the limit exists for a=2?
 
james.farrow said:
f(x) = x/(3x + 1), prove f(x) is differentiable at point 2.

Ok so I've had several attempts at this...

Using Q(h) = (f(h) - f(2))/h
It would be better to use Q(h)= (f(2+ h)- f(2))/h!

I eventually end up with (h^2 -2h)/(7(3h + 1))
Obviously the above is rubbish
Yes, because you used the wrong formula for the difference quotient.

because it I differentiate f(x) using the normal rules then

dy/dx = 1/(3x + 1)^2

What am I missing here?

Also I've tried using the difference quotient to prove it is differentiable but same result - just rubbish.

f(c + h) - f(c)/ h

The above also doesn't work out either! Please hep!
 
Jefferydk if I simplify it I end up with nothing like? Whats going on...?
 
Err after a cup of tea and a break the penny drops...

Thanks for your help lads! No doubt I'll call on you again!

James
 
A cup of tea works wonders!

(I used to do my best work after a couple glasses of rum- but then I could never find the papers where I had written it all down!)
 

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