Diffraction pattern for large number of particles

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of diffraction patterns produced by a large number of identical particles and how these patterns relate to those produced by a single particle. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding diffraction in the context of particle distributions.

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  • One participant asserts that a single particle cannot produce a diffraction pattern, as it can only arrive at one spot, while a large population of particles will reveal a pattern that corresponds to the probability distribution of their arrival.
  • Another participant suggests that the original question may pertain to the diffraction of light by a solid particle, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the context.
  • A later reply elaborates that the diffraction pattern from a single particle will produce maxima and minima in various directions, and when many particles are involved, these will collectively produce a similar pattern if their distribution is random.
  • It is noted that if the particles are regularly arranged, the interference pattern will change, leading to a finer pattern based on the arrangement of the particles rather than their individual diameters.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of diffraction patterns and the implications of particle distribution. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the original question or the specifics of how diffraction patterns arise from single versus multiple particles.

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Some assumptions regarding the nature of the particles and the conditions under which diffraction occurs remain unaddressed. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the arrangement of particles and the definitions of terms related to diffraction.

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Why does a large number of identical particles randomly distributed produce a diffraction pattern same as that of a single particle?
 
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A single particle cannot produce a diffraction pattern. It can only arrive at one spot. Before it arrived, there was a probability distribution of where it might arrive. With a large population of particles, the actual pattern will start to show up and it will be the same as the probability distribution. The way this happens is down to the definition of probability and it can be a bit hard to accept at first. But there is loads of experiment evidence to show that the theory is correct.
 
Maybe he means diffraction (of light for example) by a solid particle. The particle is fixed (more or less).
Like in laser diffraction used to find particle size.
 
nasu said:
Maybe he means diffraction (of light for example) by a solid particle. The particle is fixed (more or less).
Like in laser diffraction used to find particle size.
Oh yes. That would make sense. Some questions are just too shorthand for me to get the drift.
But I have sympathy. It's like when you go into a plumbing supplies shop and ask for that bit that goes on top of my bath tap. Blank stare from over the counter.
 
Yeah, even if I ask about my bath tap will be confusing. Even more if I ask about Sophiecentaur's tap. :smile::smile::smile:
 
All you'll get is a bash with my monkey wrench. :eek:
 
To return to the OP. The diffraction pattern from a single particle, when light hits it, will produce maxima and minima in various directions. (looking at all this in the far field distance) Take a large number of particles and they will all produce maxima and minima in the same directions. How will all those scattered waves add up? If the positions of the particles are random, the waves in any particular direction will add (vectorially) in a random way. Looking from a given direction, you will get a set of equal amplitude waves in random phases which will add in an uncorrelated way. The effective sum of the waves will be proportional to the (equal) amplitudes of all the individual waves; where there's a maximum for one particle, there will be a maximum sum of all of them. Where there's a minimum, there will be a minimum sum.
It only works like that if there's a random distribution. Once the particles are regularly arranged, the interference pattern of whole array will take over and give you a finer pattern, corresponding to the larger spacing of particles than their diameter.
 
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