Dimension and Orthogonality in Vector Spaces: A Proof of the Inequality m ≤ n

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality m ≤ n, where m represents the number of nonzero pairwise orthogonal vectors in a subspace W, and n is the dimension of that subspace. The problem is situated within the context of linear algebra, specifically focusing on concepts of dimension, linear independence, and orthogonality in vector spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the definitions of dimension and linear independence, questioning how these concepts relate to the proof of the inequality. There is an emphasis on understanding whether a set of mutually orthogonal vectors can exceed the dimension of the space.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of dimension and linear independence, suggesting that the proof may hinge on demonstrating that the set of orthogonal vectors is linearly independent. There is an ongoing exploration of whether additional definitions or explanations are necessary to solidify the proof.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of dimension and linear independence, with some suggesting that different definitions may lead to varying interpretations of the proof's requirements. There is a noted uncertainty about whether further clarification or proof of the definitions is needed.

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Homework Statement


If {u1, u2,...,um} are nonzero pairwise orthogonal vectors of a subspace W of dimension n, prove that [tex]m \leq n[/tex].

The Attempt at a Solution



I look at all my notes but I still can't understand what this qurstion asks or what definitions I need to be using for this... I'm stuck and appreciate some guidance so I can get started. Thank you.
 
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Well, what is n? It's the dimension. So we're asking if a set of mutually orthogonal vectors can have cardinality greater then n. Can it? Hmm, what is dimension? It is the cardinality (size) of a maximally linearly independent set. Does that help? (I.e. you should now think: if I can show that the set is ________ then by what's gone before it must have at most n elements.)
 
matt grime said:
Well, what is n? It's the dimension. So we're asking if a set of mutually orthogonal vectors can have cardinality greater then n. Can it? Hmm, what is dimension? It is the cardinality (size) of a maximally linearly independent set. Does that help? (I.e. you should now think: if I can show that the set is ________ then by what's gone before it must have at most n elements.)

Do you mean I have to prove that the set is linearly independent? A set of mutually orthogonal non-zero vectors is always linearly independent.

OK so the vectors {u1, u2,...,um} are in Rm and they are orthogonal (i.e uj · ui=0 if i =/= j).

Let's take a linear combination of the vectors in this set that gives the zero vector:

k1u1+k2u2+...+kmum = 0

I just need to show that there's only one value for all the constants, k1 = k2 = … = km = 0.

If I take the dot product of both sides of the equation with u1:

u1 · (k1u1+k2u2+...+kmum) = 0 · u1

Factoring out the constant.

k1(u1 · u1) + k2(u1 · u2) +...+km(u1 · um) = 0

k1(u1)2 + k2(0) +...+km(0) = 0

k1=0 & all scalar coefficients are zeros and therefore vectors are independent.

I showed that the vectors in the set are linearly independent but I can't see exactly how this is useful in showing that [tex]m \leq n[/tex]...
Could you please provide me with more explanation of what I need to do next?
 
I stated the definition of dimension in my first post: it is the maximum size of *any* set of linearly independent vectors. You have a set of m linearly independent vectors. You know that *by definition* the maximum size a set of linearly independent vectors can have is n.
 
It proves that [tex]m \leq n[/tex], end of proof? Is what I've done sufficient to write as a proof or do I need to also further prove the definition of dimension that you stated?
 
Yes it obviously proves m<=n. Was that really a question? Do I need to explain it more?

What I used above is the definition of dimension. What other one do you have?
 
OK, thank you very much for your help Matt. :biggrin:
 
Seriously, are you using a different definition? You could be using the minimal size of a spanning set as the definition, so you probably ought to show that this agrees with maximal size of a linearly independent set. Or whatever definition you're using (I can't think of another elementary one).
 

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