Dipole magnitude and direction (21.67)

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a dipole's electric field, specifically focusing on the calculations related to the total electric field generated by two opposite charges and the direction of the dipole moment vector. The subject area includes concepts from electrostatics and dipole theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the total electric field from two charges and questions the correctness of their algebraic manipulation. They also express uncertainty about the direction of the electric field relative to the dipole moment vector.
  • Some participants question the clarity of the problem statement and the correctness of the original poster's assumptions regarding the dipole moment direction.
  • Others suggest focusing on dominant terms in the equations when R is much larger than l, indicating a potential simplification in the analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the dipole moment direction and the calculations for the electric field. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of terms in the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the original poster's concerns.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of dipole moment and electric field direction, as well as the implications of approximations in their calculations. There is an indication of differing interpretations of the problem setup and assumptions made by the original poster.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Total electric field = Electric field caused by Q_1 + electric field caused by Q_2
##\vec{e} = \vec{e_1}+\vec{e_2}##
Dipole moment = ##P = Ql##

The Attempt at a Solution



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**For Part A**
##\vec{E} = \vec{E_1}+\vec{E_2}##
The charges are opposite so it will be a difference, not a sum.
##\frac{KQ}{(R+\frac{l}{2})^2} - \frac{KQ}{(R-\frac{l}{2})^2}##
Define ##A=(R+\frac{l}{2})^2 ## and ##B=(R-\frac{l}{2})^2##
Then ##\frac{KQ}{A} - \frac{KQ}{B}##
##\frac{BKQ-KQA}{AB}##
##\vec{E}=\frac{KQ(B-A)}{AB}##
After simplification, ##AB=R^4 + \frac {(R^2) (l^2)}{2}-R^2 l^2 + \frac{l^4}{4}## and ##B-A=-2Rl##
I didn't get the answer above in part A. Maybe my algebra is wrong or something else?

**Now for Part B**
I feel that ##\vec{E}## should be in the opposite direction of the dipole moment vector (DMP). In the picture above, if the neg charge is on the left and the pos on the right, then the dmp points to the left, but the field at the point points to the right, is this correct? Something similar will happen if we switch the positions of the two charges?

THANK you very much!
 
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Must say I can't understand the problem statement. You have the correct answers in front of you ?

I didn't get the answer above in part A
For R >> l you can ignore terms like R2l2 aside R4.

if the neg charge is on the left and the pos on the right, then the dmp points to the left
No, it points to the right.
 
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BvU said:
No, it points to the right.
Yes you are right. I read the textbook and the Dipole Moment points from the neg charge to the positive one.
So I understand part B. But what about part A?
 
Well, what do you get if you only keep the R4 in the denominator of ##
| \vec{E}\, | =\frac{KQ(B-A)}{AB} ## ?

[edit] by the way, ##(r+l/2)^2(r-l/2)^2 = (r^2-l^2/4)^2 = r^4 -r^2l^2/2+l^4/4## [edit]2 never mind, that's just what you wrote...
 

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