Dirac comment on tensor densities (Dirac GTR, p. 37)

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of tensor densities in the context of integration over curved spacetime, as referenced in Dirac's General Theory of Relativity. Participants explore the implications of integrating tensor quantities and the conditions under which such integrals can be considered meaningful, particularly in relation to scalar functions and the invariance of integrals.

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  • One participant notes that while the integral of a scalar function is invariant, the integral of a tensor does not yield an invariant result due to additional terms arising from the transformation of coordinates.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of integrating tensor components from different parts of spacetime, suggesting that such an operation generally lacks meaning unless in flat spacetime, where a unique identification between tangent spaces exists.
  • A later reply cites Dirac's assertion that a tensor can be treated as such only if the domain of integration is sufficiently small, implying that curvature effects must be negligible for the tensor properties to hold.
  • Further clarification is provided that if the domain is small enough, Minkowski space applies, allowing for the integration of tensors under certain conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the meaningfulness of integrating tensors over curved spacetime, with some emphasizing the need for small domains to maintain tensor properties, while others highlight the challenges of integrating tensor components across different regions. No consensus is reached on the implications of Dirac's statements.

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Limitations include the dependence on the size of the integration domain and the assumptions regarding the curvature of spacetime. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding the treatment of tensor densities and their integrals.

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Dirac comment on tensor densities (Dirac GTR, p. 37) -- why is ##\int T^{\mu\nu}\sqrt{-g}d^4 x## invariant?
Dirac (GTR, p. 37) shows simply that for a scalar function ##S##
$$\int S\sqrt{-g}\,d^4 x = \int S'\sqrt{-g'}\,d^4 x'$$ and this works precisely because ##S=S'## for a scalar. But for a tensor ##T^{\mu\nu}## the same procedure gives
$$\int T^{\mu\nu}\sqrt{-g} \, d^4 x = \int x^\mu_{\,\, ,\alpha'}x^\nu_{\,\, ,\beta'}T^{\alpha'\beta'}\sqrt{-g'}\,d^4 x' .$$ Dirac defines a "density" (such as ##S\sqrt{-g}##) as a quantity whose integral is invariant. But clearly $$\int T^{\mu\nu}\sqrt{-g}\,d^4 x \neq \int T^{\mu'\nu'}\sqrt{-g'}\,d^4 x' $$ because of the ##x^\mu_{\,\, ,\alpha'}x^\nu_{\,\, ,\beta'}## terms. What am I missing here? Thanks in advance.

Edit: I realize I am somewhat confused here. Is there some way to write this:
$$\int T^{\mu\nu}\sqrt{-g}\,d^4 x = \int T^{\alpha'\beta'}x^\mu_{\,\, ,\alpha'}x^\nu_{\,\, ,\beta'}\sqrt{-g'}\,d^4 x' = \int \left[ T^{\mu\nu} \right]^{'} \sqrt{-g'}\,d^4 x'\quad??$$ I hesitate to write ##T^{\mu'\nu'}## in the last term, because the ##\mu##'s and ##\nu##'s should balance.
 
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So the first thing you should ask yourself is: "Does the expression make sense at all?"
What does
$$
\int T^{\mu\nu} \sqrt{-g}\, d^4x
$$
actually mean? In essence, you are adding together tensor components from different parts of your spacetime and this generally holds no particular meaning. The tensors belong to different tensor spaces and so the expression is generally meaningless.

The only way that you can provide the expression with meaning is if you have a flat spacetime, e.g., Minkowski space, where there is a unique identification between the tangent spaces of different events. Once we have concluded that, we should also note that what then makes sense is to integrate a tensor itself, not only its components, i.e.,
$$
\int T^{\mu\nu} e_{\mu\nu} \sqrt{-g}\, d^4 x
$$
where ##e_{\mu\nu}## is the tensor basis.

The only way you can be left with only the tensor components inside the integral is if the basis is constant and can be taken outside of the integral. If you are using coordinate bases, this only happens if your coordinate system is affine - effectively restricting you to different inertial frames on Minkowski space (there are some other affine systems of course, such as non-orthonormal ones, but that's a detail - if not for that detail, you would always have ##-g = 1## and could remove that from the expression).

Given the above, what you really expect is that the result of the integral should be the components of a rank 2 tensor under Lorentz transformations, which exactly follows the transformation properties that you found. You should not expect a tensor to have the same components in different inertial frames.

Edit: Note: This is a general reply. I do not have access to Dirac's text so I cannot comment directly to what he says.
 
Dirac already addressed this: he said "...is a tensor if the domain of integration is very small. It is not a tensor if the domain of integration is not small, because then it consists of a sum of tensors located at different points..."

Apologies I omitted this excerpt, assuming a reader might open to the relevant page.
 
If the domain is small enough for curvature to be negligible, then - locally - as always, you have Minkowski space and the above applies.
 

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