Direction of the work done by force of friction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the direction of work done by the force of friction, particularly in scenarios involving a block on a horizontal platform that accelerates. Participants explore concepts related to static and kinetic friction, the conditions under which friction acts, and the implications of these forces on work and energy. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding friction's role in motion and work.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how the work done by friction can be positive when friction opposes motion, suggesting that work is done by the force overcoming friction rather than friction itself.
  • Others argue that static friction can do work under certain conditions, particularly when there is displacement, and that it can be considered a reaction force that transmits force without doing work in the absence of slippage.
  • A few participants propose that the relationship between friction and the force applied must be clarified, noting that if the force is less than the friction, the object will not move.
  • Some contributions highlight that the direction of work depends on the chosen reference frame, suggesting that in some frames, friction can do positive work.
  • There are discussions about the conditions under which kinetic friction does negative work by converting kinetic energy into heat.
  • Participants express confusion over the definitions and roles of static versus kinetic friction, particularly regarding their ability to do work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether friction can do work or under what conditions it does so. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of friction in the context of work and energy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of work in relation to friction, the conditions under which friction acts, and the implications of different reference frames on the analysis of work done by friction.

  • #31
A.T. said:
And who suggested that?

See post 21. - final comment
 
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  • #32
sophiecentaur said:
See post 21. - final comment

ah … that's me! :smile:

tiny-tim said:
dreamz25 said:
… in all the cases the work done by kinetic friction is +ve?
i mean can never it be -v... Right..!
right! :smile:

… by "all the cases", dreamz25 and i were referring to an initially stationary block on an accelerating platform with all possible coefficients of friction :wink:
 
  • #33
Ok. Sorted, then.
 

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