Directional derivative: radial direction

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of the radial direction in the context of calculating the gradient of a function at a specific point on a 3D surface. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the radial direction and its application in finding directional derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the definition of the radial direction in relation to a given 3D surface and its gradient.
  • Another participant defines the radial direction as the direction of the ray from the origin through a point (x,y,z) and provides the unit vector representation.
  • A mathematical expression for the gradient of the function f(x,y) = 3x²y + 2y is presented, along with the formula for the directional derivative in the radial direction using the dot product.
  • A clarification is made regarding the representation of the dot product result, emphasizing that it should be a scalar rather than a vector.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction regarding the notation used in the dot product calculation.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of the radial direction and the mathematical approach to finding the directional derivative, though there is a minor clarification regarding the notation used in the dot product calculation.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions regarding the definitions used or the specific context of the function being analyzed.

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(hmm. wasnt to sure about where to post this)

im given an equation to a 3d surface and asked to find the gradient at a certain point, in the radial direction.

my question is, what is the radial direction?

[ the equation is f(x,y) = 3*(x^2)*y + 2*y if its needed ]
 
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The radial direction, at the point (x,y,z) is the direction of the ray from (0,0,0) through (x,y,z). In particular, a unit vector in that direction is
\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec i+ \frac{y}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec j+ \frac{z}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec k.

The gradient of the function f(x,y)= 3x2y+ 2y is, of course,
\nabla f= 6xy\vec i+ (3x^2+ 2)\vec j
and the derivative "in the radial direction" is the dot product
(6xy\vec i+ (3x^2+ 2)\vec j) \cdot (\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec i+ \frac{y}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec j+ \frac{z}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec k)
= \frac{6x^2y}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec i+ \frac{y(2x^2+ 2)}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}\vec j
 
Do you mean

= \frac{6x^2y}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}+ \frac{y(2x^2+ 2)}{\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ z^2}}

i.e. sans the i-hat and j-hat? The dot product is a scalar.
 
Oops! Yes, of course.
 
thankyou! i was stuck on that one for ages ><

thanks again for the help.
 

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