How can you prove this discrete math induction statement?

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The discussion focuses on proving a discrete math induction statement involving the summation of the form n(n-1)(n+1). Participants emphasize the importance of establishing a base case and assuming the statement holds for n=m before proving it for n=m+1. They suggest reshaping the expression to match the desired form, specifically N*(N+1)*(N+2)/3, to demonstrate its validity for all N. A user recommends avoiding variable reuse for clarity and proposes breaking up the summation for the n=k+1 case as a helpful hint. The conversation highlights the structured approach required for mathematical induction proofs.
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base case: n=1

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im not sure where to start because the examples that my professor showed us did not have a n(n-1) (n+1) but rather (p+1)P=1+1)(2(p+1)+1)

im just very lost in this example
 
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Assume the statement is true for n=m. Add one more term and see if the statement is still true for n=m+1. If it is and also true for n=2, then true for all n...
 
you do this kind of stuff by induction
 
i know its done by induction but i don't know the proper steps to do it.
 
Assume that the statement you have is true. Now add another term (do the sum to N instead of N-1). Add that term to the RHS and see if you can reshape that expression to the same form as it is now, only with N*(N+1)*(N+2)/3 instead. If you can, it must hold true for all N from there on. Then it remains to show that it holds for a sum with just one term.
 
SEngstrom said:
Assume that the statement you have is true. Now add another term (do the sum to N instead of N-1). Add that term to the RHS and see if you can reshape that expression to the same form as it is now, only with N*(N+1)*(N+2)/3 instead. If you can, it must hold true for all N from there on. Then it remains to show that it holds for a sum with just one term.
Personally I don't like re-using the variable N; instead I would use k:
Assume true for n = k:
\displaystyle \sum_{i=1}^{k-1} i(i +1) = \frac{k(k-1)(k+1)}{3}
Prove true for n = k + 1:
\displaystyle \sum_{i=1}^{(k+1)-1} i(i +1) = ... = \frac{(k + 1)(k)(k+2)}{3}

OP: a hint would be to "break up" the summation in the n = k + 1 case.
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
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