Dispersion: Wavelength & Frequency in Vacuum & Material

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dispersion in relation to the refractive index of materials and its dependence on wavelength and frequency of electromagnetic radiation. Participants explore the implications of these relationships in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that dispersion is the phenomenon where the refractive index of a medium depends on the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation, specifically referring to the wavelength in vacuum.
  • Others propose that the refractive index increases with decreasing wavelength and increasing frequency, but there is uncertainty about whether this refers to the wavelength in vacuum or the 'new' wavelength in the medium.
  • One participant mentions that the equation \(\lambda=\frac{\lambda _o}{n}\) relates the wavelength before and after entering a medium and the refractive index, suggesting it is valid for the wavelength in the medium.
  • Another participant notes that the refractive index varies slightly with different wavelengths, indicating that greater differences in refractive index lead to greater dispersion.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between frequency and refractive index, with one questioning why the refractive index increases with increasing frequency.
  • There is a suggestion that discussing light in terms of wavelength can be more practical than frequency, although the latter remains constant when light propagates through different media.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the wavelength referred to in the context of dispersion is the vacuum wavelength or the wavelength in the medium. There are multiple competing views regarding the relationship between refractive index, wavelength, and frequency, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the dependence of refractive index on frequency and the implications of the mathematical expressions used. There are indications of missing assumptions and unresolved questions regarding the nature of dispersion.

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From the elementary texts, dispersion is the phenomenon where the refractive index of a medium depends on the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation through it. From what I've read, it is the wavelength of the radiation in vacuum. Also, it is said that the refractive index increases with decreasing wavelength, and increasing frequency.

My question is simple, by wavelength, are they referring to the 'new' wavelength as the light passes through the material or are they referring to the wavelength in vacuum? About frequency, I don't really have much question about it, at least if I believe that the frequency stays constant even after going through different mediums.

If we go by the equation \lambda=\frac{\lambda _o}{n} I can see that they must be referring to the 'new' wavelength, but this is still a bit baffling for me. I'd like to ask more but maybe after someone replies on this. I probably just missed something.

Edit: I'm starting to get the hunch that I'm might be using the wrong model/mathematical expression for this.
 
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If we measure the wavelength of a wave before and after entering a medium we will find that it has changed. The amount of change let's us calculate n, the refractive index. Let's say it gives us 1.1 for n. Now, we shoot a shorter wavelength through. We measure again and find that n now equal 1.10002. The refractive index is different for different wavelengths. Not by much, but it is. The greater the difference in your refractive index between different wavelengths the greater the dispersion.

Your equation is simply the relationship between the wavelength before entering the medium, after entering the medium, and the refractive index of the medium.
 
Looking back, I think the texts are actually referring to the wavelength in vacuum. The expression above seems to be valid at least if we are concerned with the wavelength of the light as it passes through the medium. I'm now half convinced that we cannot conclude anything about the dependence of the refractive index in the frequency of the specific radiation from the expression above.

I actually tried to express the the vacuum wavelength in terms of speed of light and its frequency, but I'm getting contradicting results.
 
You can use the expression above to find the refractive index of a material for different wavelengths. That will then allow you to find the dispersion.
 
Drakkith said:
If we measure the wavelength of a wave before and after entering a medium we will find that it has changed. The amount of change let's us calculate n, the refractive index. Let's say it gives us 1.1 for n. Now, we shoot a shorter wavelength through. We measure again and find that n now equal 1.10002. The refractive index is different for different wavelengths. Not by much, but it is. The greater the difference in your refractive index between different wavelengths the greater the dispersion.

Your equation is simply the relationship between the wavelength before entering the medium, after entering the medium, and the refractive index of the medium.

I get the notion that it's better to refer to frequency when we are talking about specific EM wave in the spectrum since it doesn't change when it propagates through mediums.

Thanks anyway, I think I got it, the expression is valid only for a specific frequency of a wave. Now, I guess my real question is, why does the refractive index increase with increasing frequency of the wave (and consequently with decreasing wavelength of it in vacuum)?
 
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mathsciguy said:
I get the notion that it's better to refer to frequency when we are talking about specific EM wave in the spectrum since it doesn't change when it propagates through mediums.

Sure, unless you are specifically dealing with the wavelength or something where the wavelength isn't changing. Talking about light in terms of wavelengths is actually pretty useful, as it's much easier to say light of 550 nm than it is to try to write the frequency down.

Thanks anyway, I think I got it, the expression is valid only for a specific frequency of a wave. Now, I guess my real question is, why do does the refractive index increase with increasing frequency?

Yeah, the expression only allows for one wavelength at a time. As for why the index increases with frequency, someone else will have to answer that, as it's way above my head.
 
Drakkith said:
Yeah, the expression only allows for one wavelength at a time. As for why the index increases with frequency, someone else will have to answer that, as it's way above my head.

No problem, I was at least relieved that I got the simple stuff first. As for the frequency dependence, I guess I'll take it for granted for now. Thanks.
 

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