Distance Between Closed sets in a metric space

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The discussion revolves around defining the distance between two closed sets in a generalized metric space and exploring the possibility of constructing examples of disjoint closed sets with a distance of zero.

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  • The original poster attempts to generalize the definition of distance between closed sets and questions how to create an example of disjoint closed sets with zero distance. Some participants express difficulty in reconciling the concept of closed and disjoint sets with the idea of having zero distance between them.

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Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some suggesting the consideration of unbounded sets as potential examples. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the assumptions about closed sets and their distances, particularly in relation to compactness.

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There is an emphasis on the nature of the metric space being generalized, and a distinction is made regarding the implications of compactness on the distance between sets.

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Hey guys, thanks for looking at this.

Ok, so we're given the distance, d(x,C) between a point, x, and a closed set C in a metric space to be: inf{d(x,y): for all y in C}. Then we have to generalize this to define the distance between two sets I'm fairly certain you can define it as:

the distance between closed sets D and C in a metric space, d(C,D) = inf{d(y,D): for all y contained in C}. Which should be equivalent to inf{d(x,y): for all x,y contained in C,D respectively}.

My question is this: How to construct an example of two closed, disjoint sets whose distance is zero under this definition? I feel like I need to find two sets containing points that can be made arbitrarily close, but am unsure how to do this without some point being a limit point of both sets, contradicting C,D disjoint.

If you guys have an idea that would be great, I'd much prefer a hint or nudge in the right direction if possible.

Thanks again.
 
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I presume you get to pick your metric space too...
 
yes, sorry, forgot to mention that we're talking about a generalized metric space.

I must say that I have a hard time imagining a scenario where this (the aforementioned problem) is possible, I formerly operated under the assumption(read:intuition) that closed and disjoint in a metric space implied some distance between sets.
 
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Here's my approach -- figure out your sets first, then decide upon the metric space. :smile:
 
thanks for the help!
 
Consider unbounded sets. The distance of two unbounded sets in Euclidean spaces (with the usual metric) can be 0.

Example: Let A = {(t,0): t>=0}, B={(t,1/t): t>=0}. Both are closed, unbounded and their distance is 0.

If one of the sets compact, then the distance can never be zero.

Proof: Let A be compact, B be closed. Since d(A,B) = inf{d(x,y): x in A, y in B}, there exists two sequences (x_n) in A and (y_n) in B, s.t. lim d(x_n,y_n) = d(A,B). Since A is compact, (x_n) has a convergent subsequence (x_n_k), say lim (x_n_k) = x0 in A. Since (d(x_n,y_n)) is convergent, so is its subsequence (d(x_n_k,y_n_k)). In sum,
d(A,B) = lim d(x_n,y_n) = lim (d(x_n_k,y_n_k)) = lim (d(x0,y_n_k)).

Now, if d(A,B) = 0, then x0 is an accumulation point of B. Since B is closed, x0 must be in B. But, x0 cannot be both in A and B: the two sets are disjoint. Thus, we must have d(A,B)>0.
 

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