Distance Between Erie & Buffalo: 17 to 83 Miles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the distances between Erie and Buffalo as indicated by road signs, exploring the implications of these distances and the geometry of the situation. Participants analyze the information provided by the signs and the nature of travel between the two locations, considering whether the distances reflect a straight line or involve turns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that Erie and Buffalo are not 70 miles apart based on the signs indicating distances of 17 miles to Erie and 87 miles to Buffalo.
  • Another participant questions the collinearity of the locations based on the distances provided, suggesting that if traveling 4 miles brings one closer to Erie, it also implies a direct path toward Buffalo, raising questions about the accuracy of the signs.
  • Clarifications are made that the signs are exact, travel is linear, and distance traveled equals displacement, although some participants express uncertainty about whether there is enough information to resolve the distances definitively.
  • One participant proposes that the road signs reflect road distances rather than geographical distances, suggesting a potential T-junction scenario that could alter the interpretation of the distances.
  • Another participant agrees that road signs indicate mileage on the road and discusses the possibility of a Y-junction affecting the perceived distances, referencing specific highways between Erie and Buffalo.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the road signs, with some suggesting the distances may not be straightforward due to potential road configurations. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the distances or the geometry involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the signs are exact and that travel is linear, but there remains uncertainty about the implications of the distances and the potential for road configurations affecting the interpretation.

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1) Erie and Buffalo are NOT 70 miles apart.

2) Correct sign on the highway reads:

Erie: 17 miles
Buffalo: 87 miles

3) Four miles later, another correct sign reads:

Erie: 13 miles
Buffalo: 83 miles

4) If I am going to Erie, what will the sign say about Buffalo when I get there?

Enough information? Too easy?
 
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I think steps 2 and 3 imply that you, Erie, and Buffalo are colinear, but this is not an option due to 1. My reasoning is that if when you move 4 miles, you are exactly 4 miles closer to Erie, it implies you are going straight towards Erie (shortest path in a plane) and so there is no way you can also be 4 miles closer to Buffalo unless you are also going straight towards Buffalo. When you say "four miles", is it distance traveled or displacement? How accurate are the signs?

My first thought was that this was an ellipse problem, but I am no longer sure.. tricky challenge!​
 
Clarifications:

Signs are exact.
Travel is linear.
Travel Distance = Displacement -- No turns and no rifts in the space/time continuum.

There may not be enough information.

3a) 2 miles later, a correct sign reads:

Erie: 11 miles
Buffalo: 81 miles

3b) After that, there are no more such signs.
 
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tkhunny said:
Clarifications:

Signs are exact.
Travel is linear.
Travel Distance = Displacement -- No turns and no rifts in the space/time continuum.

There may not be enough information.

3a) 2 miles later, a correct sign reads:

Erie: 11 miles
Buffalo: 81 miles

3b) After that, there are no more such signs.
Road signs show road distances, not geographical distances. Perhaps at 11 miles from Erie, the road comes to a T junction. If you turn left it is 11 miles to Erie, if you turn right it is 81 miles to Buffalo. From Erie to Buffalo it is then 11+81=92 miles.
 
Opalg said:
Road signs show road distances, not geographical distances. Perhaps at 11 miles from Erie, the road comes to a T junction. If you turn left it is 11 miles to Erie, if you turn right it is 81 miles to Buffalo. From Erie to Buffalo it is then 11+81=92 miles.

TKhunny specified no turns, though, so the road has to be straight, which sort of implies that road distance is the same as geographical distance (on the Earth's surface, anyway).
 
Opalg has it. Road signs give mileage on the road, whether the road turns or not. More of a Y-junction, though. Check out I-86 and I-90 between Erie and Buffalo, 11 miles East of Erie. Coming West on I-86 we see the signs that are maybe a little confusing. There is very little turn to Erie and quite a sharp turn toward Buffalo.

If there were such a sign when entering Erie, it might say, "Buffalo is 92 miles BEHIND YOU!"

Thanks for playing!
 

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