Distance From Eye VS Visible Size

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how the visible size of an object changes as it approaches the eye, exploring the mathematical relationships involved in this perception. Participants examine various models and concepts from geometry and optics to explain this phenomenon.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the visible size can be modeled by an inverse or inverse square function, indicating uncertainty about the correct mathematical approach.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of angular diameter and proposes an inverse quadratic dependence involving trigonometric functions to describe the relationship between visible size and distance.
  • A different participant explains that the apparent size of an object is determined by the angle it occupies in the viewer's vision, using a tangent function to relate the actual width of the object and its distance from the observer.
  • One contributor mentions the concept of similar triangles as a geometric approach to understanding the problem.
  • Another participant discusses the thin lens model of the eye, presenting the thin lens equation and its implications for magnification based on distance, while noting the limitations of this model at very close distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views and models without reaching a consensus on a single approach or solution. There is ongoing uncertainty regarding the best mathematical representation of the relationship between distance and visible size.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the role of angles in the discussion, indicating a potential gap in understanding the geometric relationships involved. Additionally, there are references to specific distances and limitations of the eye's focus that may affect the applicability of certain models.

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Hi, this should be an easy question unless I'm not understanding it correctly.

As an object gets closer to your eye, how does the "visible" size of the object increase. I'm thinking it can be modeled by either an inverse or inverse square function, but I don't know. Am I on the right path here? I looked on Google but didn't find anything to help me.

Thanks for your help!
 
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hi! Actually you can find an inverse quadratic dependence between the "square of the sine of the half the angle (that represent the visible size) and the distance". Figure out the problem as an isosceles triangle characterized by the unique angle "ϑ", the catetes "a"(could be the distance) and "b"(the real size of the object). You'll find with trigonometry that:
[tex]sin^2{\theta/2} = \frac{(b/2)^2 }{a^2 + (b/2)^2}[/tex]
could think that in this way:
[tex]f(ϑ) ≈ \frac{1}{(distance^2+something)}[/tex]
 
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Thanks, I'm going to have to look at this for a while before I understand what's going on, but now I'm heading in the right direction. I'm just sort of confused on how the angles work. I'm just trying to find what the "visible" size is at a certain distance away if I know the actual size at a different distance. What do angles have to do with the question? I've taken grade 12 functions and grade 11 physics, so I'm not very good with the math. Thanks for your help.
 
Its a good link from jtbell.
Think about it this way: the way we perceive the size of an object is to move our eyes from one side of the object to the other, then the angle our eyeball has rotated is how big the object appears to be to us.
So the apparent size of an object is simply the angle that it takes up in our vision. Therefore:
[tex]tan( \frac{ \alpha }{2} ) = \frac{w}{2d}[/tex]
Where [itex]\alpha[/itex] is the angle the object takes up in our vision (i.e. the apparent size). And w is the actual width of the object, and d is the distance from us to the object.
[itex]\alpha[/itex] is defined as being somewhere between zero and 180 degrees. So when the ratio w/d is larger, the apparent size of the object is larger (as we should expect).
To calculate the ratio of the apparent sizes of two objects in view, simply divide the [itex]\alpha[/itex] of one by the [itex]\alpha[/itex] of the other.
 
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Its not physics per se but geometry. The concept is called "similar triangles".
 
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Your eyes are a thin lens, with focal length 1.85 centimeters. So another way to approach this problem is with the thin lens equation, that gives you the magnification of an object as a function of distance.

Essentially, m=xi/xo, but 1/xi+1/xo=1/1.85, so m=1.85/(xo-1.85). But the object distance will be much greater than 1.85 centimters (at 25 centimeters your eye loses focus due to the fixed length to retina - this is the near point), so you can approximate this as

m ~ 1/xo

So the size of an object gets magnified or diminished as the inverse of the distance to the object, xo.

Of course geometric optics is essentially ray tracing, and you don't need any of this, but it's nice to know that optics equations are consistent with intuition.
 

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