Distinguishing Blackbody and Atomic Spectra of the Sun

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The discussion revolves around the distinction between the blackbody spectrum and atomic spectra of the Sun, focusing on how scientists differentiate between these spectra and the methods used to analyze them.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how scientists distinguish between the blackbody spectrum and atomic spectra of the Sun and what filtering methods are employed.
  • Some participants assert that the blackbody spectrum and atomic spectra are essentially the same, referring to it as the absorption spectrum, and suggest that scientists analyze absorption lines to identify elements in the Sun.
  • Another participant reiterates that only one spectrum, the absorption spectrum, is used, implying no need for filtering.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept that the Sun's surface temperature of approximately 6000 K results in a blackbody spectrum modified by cooler gaseous elements that absorb energy at specific wavelengths, leading to atomic absorption lines.
  • This participant also notes the importance of ensuring that observed absorption lines are not influenced by elements and molecules in the Earth's atmosphere when analyzing the spectrum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement among participants regarding the nature of the spectra, with some asserting they are the same while others provide a more nuanced view of how the blackbody spectrum is affected by atomic absorption lines. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the relationship between blackbody and atomic spectra, and there are unresolved questions regarding the influence of Earth's atmosphere on spectral observations.

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Scientists have measured both the blackbody spectrum and also the atomic spectra of various elements in the Sun.

How do they distinguish between the two and filter out the light from either one?
 
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The blackbody spectrum and what you call the atomic spectra of the sun is one and the same. There is only one spectrum called the absorption spectrum. Scientists use that and look at the absorption lines to find out what elements are in the sun.
 
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The blackbody spectrum and what you call the atomic spectra of the sun is one and the same. There is only one spectrum called the absorption spectrum. Scientists use that and look at the absorption lines to find out what elements are in the sun.
Oh, right. They can only use the absorption spectrum.
 
Yes. When they collect light from the sun they only get one spectrum to use ready made. No filtering required.
 
The surface temperature of the sun is approximately 6000 K. The spectrum would be a blackbody except that cooler gaseous elements just outside the sun will sometimes be found in the ground state and lower excited states. These are able to then absorb energy from the blackbody at wavelengths corresponding to atomic transitions more so than the energy that they re-radiate. The result is a spectrum of approximately a T= 6000 K blackbody except for narrow atomic absorption lines where the energy is somewhat less than the blackbody curve intensity. For an earth-based system, you need to ensure that the observed absorption lines (deviation from a smooth blackbody curve )didn't occur from elements and molecules in the Earth's atmosphere.
 
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