Distribution of Euclidean Distance btwn 2 Non-Centered Points in 2D

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The discussion revolves around the distribution of the Euclidean distance between two non-centered points in a 2D plane, specifically focusing on the statistical properties of this distance when the coordinates of the points are modeled as normally distributed random variables. The scope includes theoretical exploration of probability distributions and transformations in statistical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the probability density function (pdf) of the distance z, defined as z=sqrt[(Xa-Xb)^2 + (Ya-Yb)^2], where Xa, Xb, Ya, and Yb are normally distributed random variables with specified means and variances.
  • Another participant suggests that the distribution could potentially be transformed to a Rician distribution by adjusting the means and scaling the variances to convert the ellipse formed by the points into a circle, although they have not worked through the details.
  • A third participant asserts that if the coordinates are transformed such that (xb-xa, yb-ya) becomes the origin, the resulting distribution of z would follow a Rayleigh distribution, given that X and Y are independent normally distributed random variables with the same variance.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original poster is not interested in obtaining a Rician distribution and prefers to understand the distribution of z without any transformations or assumptions.
  • Another participant claims to have found that a transformation into polar coordinates is necessary, suggesting that this approach leads to a Rician distribution for z, indicating a shift in perspective on the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether transformations are necessary to determine the distribution of z. Some propose transformations leading to Rician or Rayleigh distributions, while others emphasize the need to explore the distribution without such transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most appropriate approach to find the distribution of z.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of determining the distribution of the distance between two non-centered points, with participants addressing the implications of transformations and the assumptions involved in their proposed methods.

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I would like to know the distribution of z as the euclidean distance between 2 points which are not centred in the origin. If I assume 2 points in the 2D plane A(Xa,Ya) and B(Xb,Yb), where the Xa~N(xa,s^2), Xb~N(xb,s^2), Ya~N(ya,s^2), Yb~N(yb,s^2), then the distance between A and B, would be z=sqrt[(Xa-Xb)^2 + (Ya-Yb)^2]. Now: X=Xa-Xb and Y=Ya-Yb are themselves RVs with means (xb-xa) and (yb-ya) and variance 2s^2, so the problem that I have is determining the pdf of z=sqrt(X^2 +Y^2), knowing that X and Y are 2 uncorrelated Gaussian RVs with NON-ZERO MEANS and the same variance, 2s^2.

The Rician distribution applies when z is the distance from the origin to a bivariate RV. This has been proven only when the RVs (a and b) are CIRCULAR bivariate RVS (proof here -> Chapter 13, subchapter 13.8.2, page 680, of Mathematical Techniques for Engineers and Scientists - Larry C. Andrews, Ronald L. Phillips - 2003). I would like to know the pdf/cdf of z as a distance between two points (none of them being centred in the origin) when they are not circular. Is there a known parametric distribution for z? What would this distribution look like if it is a generalized form of the Rician distribution?
 
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I suspect that the distribution could be transformed to the Rician by first transforming from the x and y means to the center and then scaling using the variances, so that an ellipse becomes a circle.

Note: I have not tried to work it out, but my intuition tells me it should work.
 


Amiutza said:
X=Xa-Xb and Y=Ya-Yb are themselves RVs with means (xb-xa) and (yb-ya) and variance 2s^2

X and Y are two independent normally distributed random variables with the same variance. If you transform coordinates to make (xb-xa,yb-ya) the origin, then you would have a Rayleigh distribution.
 


Thank you for your replies, but I am not looking to obtain a Rician distribution. I would like to know the distribution of z, in the given conditions, without making any transformations or other assumptions.
 


Hi there! I have managed to find out that indeed a transformation is needed into polar coordinates. Rotating the mean distance z with a θ angle and using the appropriate notation will results in proving that z is Ricianly distributed. Thanks guys for your help!
 

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