Distributions and Intergration by Parts

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The discussion revolves around the use of integration by parts in the context of distributions, specifically Dirac delta functions. Participants are exploring whether integration by parts can be applied to distributions within integrals.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • The original poster questions the validity of using integration by parts with distributions, expressing uncertainty about the foundational principles. Some participants suggest that integrating Dirac delta functions is straightforward and may not require integration by parts. Others reference the need for integration by parts in proving identities related to distributions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the necessity and applicability of integration by parts for distributions. Some suggest alternative methods, such as using Gaussian representations, while others propose testing specific integrals to explore the concept further.

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There is mention of a book's instructions regarding the proof of identities using integration by parts, which raises questions about the assumptions underlying these methods. Additionally, participants note the challenge of working with integration symbols in their current environment.

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"Distributions" and Intergration by Parts

Homework Statement


Has it been proven that it is ok to use Integration by parts on "Distributions" like Dirac Delta functions inside an integration?


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Need to figure out how to write integral signs and Greek alphabet symbols with this Linux system.


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I do not know enough about "distributions" to even attempt this.
 
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Why would you need to use integration by parts. Taking integrals with dirac delta functions is very easy. There would be no need for it. You can integrate any function like this:

\int f(x) \delta(x-a) dx = f(a)

assuming the bounds ran through x=a.
 


In order to prove various identities like delta prime (x) = - delta prime (-x) the instructions in the book I am using says that most identities are proved by integration by parts. But my question is how do I know that integration by parts is even applicable to a distribution function under an integral sign?
 


One way to prove things like that is to use the Gaussian representation of the delta function with the limit to make it into a delta function. Then just take the limit outside of the integral and perform all of your integration tricks on the Gaussian function. Once you are satisfied with what you have, bring the limit back inside.
 


I will try taking the limit after the integration.
Now if I can just prove all these identities using Gaussian functions and parts, then limits.
Thank you!
PBTR3
 


Do either

\int^\infty_{-\infty} f \left(x\right) \delta' \left(x\right) dx

or

\int^\infty_{-\infty} \delta \left(x\right) f' \left(x\right) dx

formally by parts, and see what happens.
 

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