Divergence Theorem for Surface Integrals

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the divergence theorem to calculate surface integrals for various vector fields. Participants are examining specific vector fields and their corresponding surfaces, including a box, a cylinder, and a sphere, while attempting to set up the integrals correctly.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants share their attempts at setting up integrals for different vector fields and surfaces. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the divergence and the setup of the surface integrals. Some participants express uncertainty about manipulating complex surfaces and the implications of divergence being zero.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the setups, indicating that they appear correct, while others seek clarification on specific aspects of the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the divergence results and how they relate to the physical interpretation of the vector fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the divergence theorem and are attempting to navigate the complexities of various geometric surfaces. There is mention of potential errors in the setup and the need for careful consideration of the divergence calculations.

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Homework Statement



Folks, have I set these up correctly? THanks
Use divergence theorem to calculate the surface integral \int \int F.dS for each of the following

Homework Equations



\int \int F.dS=\int \int \int div(F)dV

The Attempt at a Solution


a) F(x,y,z)=xye^z i +xy^2z^3 j- ye^z k and sigma is the surface of the box that is bounded by the coordinate planes and planes x=3, y=2 and z=1

Attempt

\int_0^3 \int_0^2 \int_0^1 2xyz^3 dzdydx where div (F)=ye^z+2xyz^3-ye^z


b) F(x,y,z)=3xy^2 i+xe^zj+z^3k and sigma is surface bounded by cylinder y^2+z^2=1 and x=-1 and x=2

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_{-1}^{2} (3r^2) r dxdrd\theta where div(F)=3y^2+3z^2

c)F(x,y,z)=(x^3+y^3)i+(y^3+z^3)j+(x^3+z^3)k and sigma is sphere of r=2 and centre 0,0

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\pi} \int_0^{2} 3p^4 sin(\phi) dp d\phi d\theta where div(F)=3(x^2+y^2+z^2)...?

Thanks
 
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hi bugatti79! :wink:

yes, they all look fine :smile:

(was anything worrying you about that? :confused:)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi bugatti79! :wink:

yes, they all look fine :smile:

(was anything worrying you about that? :confused:)

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure before I proceeded. Here are 3 more trickier ones.

d) ##F(x,y,z)=x^2 sin(y) i+x cos (y) j-xz sin(y) k## and sigma is the surface x^8+y^8+z^8=8
Dont know how to tackle sigma. I thought I could manipulate it using the equation of a sphere.



e) ##F(x,y,z)=x^4 i+x^3z^2 j +4y^2z k## and sigma is the surface of the solid that is bounded by the cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and the planes z=x+2 and z=0

##\displaystyle \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4x^3+4y^3)r dx dr d\theta=##

##\displaystyle\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4r^3cos^3(\theta)+4r^2sin^2(\theta))r dx dr d\theta##

where ##x=rcos(\theta)##, ##y=rsin(\theta)## and ##div(F)=4x^3+4y^2##


f)##F(x,y,z)=\frac{r}{||r||}## where ##r=x i+yj+zk## and sigma consists of the hemisphere ##z=\sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}## and the disc and ##x^2+y^2\le1## in the xy plane

This looks like its going to be tedious...? ##\displaystyle div(F)=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\frac{y}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\frac{z}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}##...?

Comments on above?
 
hi bugatti79! :smile:
bugatti79 said:
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure before I proceeded. Here are 3 more trickier ones.

d) ##F(x,y,z)=x^2 sin(y) i+x cos (y) j-xz sin(y) k## and sigma is the surface x^8+y^8+z^8=8
Dont know how to tackle sigma. I thought I could manipulate it using the equation of a sphere.

erm :redface:

first, what's divF ? :biggrin:
e) …

(i assume you meant 4x3 + 4y2zk and dz ?)

yes, that looks ok :smile:
f) This looks like its going to be tedious...? ##\displaystyle div(F)=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\frac{y}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\frac{z}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}##...?

just keep going, it's quite easy and it'll simplify out in the end :wink:
 
bugatti79 said:
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure before I proceeded. Here are 3 more trickier ones.

d) ##F(x,y,z)=x^2 sin(y) i+x cos (y) j-xz sin(y) k## and sigma is the surface x^8+y^8+z^8=8
Dont know how to tackle sigma. I thought I could manipulate it using the equation of a sphere.

tiny-tim said:
hi bugatti79! :smile:


erm :redface:

first, what's divF ? :biggrin:

##div(F)=0##! What does that mean physically and mathematically?


bugatti79 said:
e) ##F(x,y,z)=x^4 i+x^3z^2 j +4y^2z k## and sigma is the surface of the solid that is bounded by the cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and the planes z=x+2 and z=0

##\displaystyle \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4x^3+4y^3)r dx dr d\theta=##

##\displaystyle\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4r^3cos^3(\theta)+4r^2sin^2(\theta))r dx dr d\theta##

where ##x=rcos(\theta)##, ##y=rsin(\theta)## and ##div(F)=4x^3+4y^2##


Comments on above?

tiny-tim said:
(i assume you meant 4x3 + 4y2zk and dz ?)


Not sure I follow..but should it be

##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_0^{r \cos \theta +2} (4x^3+4y^3)dzdA## where ##da=r dr d\theta##..?

Thanks
 
bugatti79 said:
##div(F)=0##! What does that mean physically and mathematically?

mathematically, it means the integral will be 0

physically, it means F is a conserved flow
Not sure I follow..but should it be

##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_0^{r \cos \theta +2} (4x^3+4y^3)dzdA## where ##da=r dr d\theta##..?

my "zk" was a copy-and-paste error, it should have stopped at 4x3 + 4y2

and yes the dx (in dA) should have been dz
 
tiny-tim said:
mathematically, it means the integral will be 0

physically, it means F is a conserved flow


my "zk" was a copy-and-paste error, it should have stopped at 4x3 + 4y2

and yes the dx (in dA) should have been dz

Thank you sir :-)
 
bugatti79 said:

Homework Statement



Folks, have I set these up correctly? THanks
Use divergence theorem to calculate the surface integral \int \int F.dS for each of the following

Homework Equations



\int \int F.dS=\int \int \int div(F)dV

The Attempt at a Solution


a) F(x,y,z)=xye^z i +xy^2z^3 j- ye^z k and sigma is the surface of the box that is bounded by the coordinate planes and planes x=3, y=2 and z=1

Attempt

\int_0^3 \int_0^2 \int_0^1 2xyz^3 dzdydx where div (F)=ye^z+2xyz^3-ye^z
You are aware that this is just \nabla F= 2xyz^3 aren't you?

Your integral is just
2\left(\int_0^3 x dx\right)\left(\int_0^2 y dy\right)\left(\int_0^1 z^3 dz\right)

b) F(x,y,z)=3xy^2 i+xe^zj+z^3k and sigma is surface bounded by cylinder y^2+z^2=1 and x=-1 and x=2

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_{-1}^{2} (3r^2) r dxdrd\theta where div(F)=3y^2+3z^2

c)F(x,y,z)=(x^3+y^3)i+(y^3+z^3)j+(x^3+z^3)k and sigma is sphere of r=2 and centre 0,0

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\pi} \int_0^{2} 3p^4 sin(\phi) dp d\phi d\theta where div(F)=3(x^2+y^2+z^2)...?

Thanks
 

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