Divergent series and the limit of the nth term as n approaches infinity

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The discussion revolves around the properties of divergent series and the behavior of their nth terms as n approaches infinity. Participants explore the implications of the nth term approaching zero and the conditions under which a series converges or diverges, focusing on the rate of convergence and the nature of the series.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if a series is convergent, its nth term approaches 0 as n approaches infinity.
  • Others agree that if the nth term does not approach 0, the series is divergent.
  • It is proposed that a divergent series can still have an nth term that approaches 0, suggesting that the rate at which terms approach zero is crucial for determining convergence or divergence.
  • One participant provides examples, noting that the series sum of 1/n diverges despite its terms approaching zero, while the series sum of 1/n^s converges for s>1, indicating a relationship between the rate of terms approaching zero and convergence.
  • Another participant points out that both the series sum of 1/n and sum of (-1)^n/n converge to zero at the same rate, yet one is divergent and the other convergent, highlighting the complexity of convergence criteria.
  • Further examples are given, such as the series sum((-1)^n/sqrt(n)), which converges but is not absolutely convergent, suggesting that various forms of series can exhibit different convergence behaviors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of convergence and divergence but express differing views on the implications of the nth term approaching zero and the significance of the rate of convergence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise conditions that dictate convergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific series and their convergence properties, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the definitions of convergence and divergence or the mathematical steps involved in proving these properties.

GeoMike
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I'm looking for help with my conceptual understanding of part of the following:

1) If a series is convergent it's nth term approaches 0 as n approaches infinity
This makes perfect sense to me.

2) If the nth term of a series does not approach 0 as n approaches infinity, the series is divergent
Again, makes perfect sense.

3) A divergent series can have an nth term that approaches 0 as n approaches infinity. Thus #1 cannot be used as a test FOR convergence.
Here's where I'm thrown a little. I can follow the proofs in my textbook fine, and I think I see what they all suggest.
Essentially: The RATE at which the terms of a series approaches zero (assuming they do at all) is what really determines convergence/divergence -- am I understanding this right?

Thanks,
-GM-
 
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Yes you're right. The sequence has to tend to zero fast enough for the sum to converge.

For example the sum of 1/n does not converge altough 1/n goes to zero, but too slowly, the same for 1/log(n). In fact as you know the sum of 1/n^s converges for all s>1 and diverges for s<=1 so this gives you an idea of how fast the sequence should go to zero.
 
GeoMike said:
Essentially: The RATE at which the terms of a series approaches zero (assuming they do at all) is what really determines convergence/divergence -- am I understanding this right?
Thanks,
-GM-

Not exactly, it is known that the series [tex]\sum \frac{1}{n}[/tex] is divergent, while [tex]\sum \frac{(-1)^n}{n}[/tex] is convergent.
Both have terms which converges to zero, with the same "rate".
However, the last one is, of course, not absolutely convergent.
 
another example, sum((-1)^n/sqrt(n)) also converges, but again, not absolutely, actually we can put anything in the denominator with an n, even sum((-1)^n/n^(1/1000)) converges
 
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