Do Electric Lines of Force Determine Charged Particle Trajectories?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether electric lines of force depict the trajectories of charged particles. Participants explore the relationship between electric field lines and the motion of charged particles, considering various conditions and forces that may influence their paths.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electric lines of force represent the electric field and do not depict the actual trajectories of charged particles.
  • Others argue that a charged particle at rest will move along electric field lines if no other forces act on it, but this is conditional on the initial state of the particle.
  • A participant points out that the trajectory of a charged particle is influenced by the direction of the electric field, but only under specific conditions, such as the absence of other forces.
  • Another participant challenges the idea by providing an example of a particle thrown perpendicular to a field line, suggesting that the trajectory does not necessarily follow the electric field lines.
  • One participant acknowledges that the acceleration of a charged particle aligns with the force due to the electric field, but clarifies that the velocity direction may differ unless the particle starts from rest.
  • A later post raises a question about the implications of curved electric field lines, suggesting that the continuously varying direction of force may not lead to a trajectory that follows the electric field lines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electric field lines and particle trajectories, with no consensus reached on whether electric lines of force can depict the actual paths of charged particles under various conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various scenarios, including the effects of initial conditions and the presence of other forces, which complicate the relationship between electric field lines and particle trajectories. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of these factors.

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Do the electric lines of force necessarily depict the trajectory of a charged particle? Or do they depict the trajectory at all.
 
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The electric lines of force are representations of the electric field. They are not the trajectories that charged particles take.
 
From the definition of the electric field intensity

[tex]\vec{E}=\frac{\vec{F}}{q}[/tex]

you'll see that the force experienced by a charged particle placed in an electric field is in the same direction (if the charge is positive) as that of the electric field everywhere where the field is present.

This means that the electric field lines do in fact depict the trajectory of a charged particle, but only as long as there are no other forces also acting on the particle.
 
gnurf said:
This means that the electric field lines do in fact depict the trajectory of a charged particle, but only as long as there are no other forces also acting on the particle.
No. As dx said, the lines represent the direction of the electric force (on a positive charge), not the direction of the particle's velocity.
 
What I was trying to say was that a charged particle (initially at rest) will move along the electric field lines if no other forces are acting on the particle. Is this wrong?
 
Yes, that's wrong. Just think about this: what if you initially throw a particle perpendicular to a field line?

An even more familiar example: The gravitational field lines near the Earth's surface are vertical lines pointing downwards. Does that mean that particles near the Earth always move vertically downwards?
 
gnurf said:
What I was trying to say was that a charged particle (initially at rest) will move along the electric field lines if no other forces are acting on the particle. Is this wrong?
OK, being at rest is a special case. If it starts from rest it will initially move in the direction of the field lines.
 
I stand corrected:

It's the charged particle's acceleration [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] that points in the direction of the force [tex]\vec{F}[/tex] , and hence the electric field [tex]\vec{E}[/tex] at a point. The velocity [tex]\vec{v}[/tex] is then in the direction of the tangential of the trajectory. This is why, as Doc Al pointed out, that [tex]\vec{v}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{E}[/tex] only point in the same direction when [tex]\vec{v} = 0[/tex] (e.g., initially at rest).

In the general case the trajectory of a charged particle will not follow the electrical field lines.

Sorry for messing that up.
 
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So , say the electric lines of force are curved , as in an electric dipole , then the direction of force on the charged particle varies continuously. Then , if I'm not wrong , this will not necessarily change the direction of velocity on the said particle to cause it to follow the electric field line? .... Why exactly ?
 

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