Do EM waves have negative frequency inside negative-index materials?

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The discussion confirms that electromagnetic (EM) waves can exhibit negative frequencies when propagating through materials with a negative refractive index. The dispersion relation, defined as $$\omega=\frac{c}{n}|\mathbf{k}|$$, indicates that if the refractive index ##n## is negative, the frequency ##\omega## will also be negative. This phenomenon is not limited to negative-index materials; negative frequencies can also occur in vacuum under certain conditions, such as signal modulation. The conversation concludes that the distinction between positive and negative frequencies is not significant in classical electromagnetism.

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The speed of light in a vacuum, ##c##, is defined as positive.

The refractive index of a material, ##n##, can be positive or negative.

The dispersion relation for light inside the material is given by

$$\omega=\frac{c}{n}|\mathbf{k}|.$$
The magnitude of the wavevector, ##|\mathbf{k}|##, must be positive by definition therefore the sign of the wave frequency ##\omega## is determined solely by the refractive index ##n##.

Thus if the refractive index ##n## is negative then the frequency ##\omega## is negative.

Is this reasoning correct?
 
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The speed of light in a vacuum, ##c##, is defined as positive.

The refractive index of a material, ##n##, can be positive or negative.

The dispersion relation for light inside the material is given by

$$\omega=\frac{c}{n}|\mathbf{k}|.$$
The magnitude of the wavevector, ##|\mathbf{k}|##, must be positive by definition therefore the sign of the wave frequency ##\omega## is determined solely by the refractive index ##n##.

Thus if the refractive index ##n## is negative then the frequency ##\omega## is negative.

Is this reasoning correct?
You very often get negative frequencies even in vacuum, so sure you can have them in materials too. For example, when you take a signal at baseband and then you modulate it, with e.g. a ##\cos## carrier, the result has both positive frequency and negative frequency components.
And with a quadrature transmitter and detector you can even have a purely negative frequency signal.
 
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Any local relativistic field has always wavemmodes with both positive and negative frequencies. The decomposition of free em. waves in plane-wave modes reads (in radiation gauge)
$$\vec{A}(t,\vec{x})=\sum_{\lambda \in \{1,-1\}} \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 k}{(2 \pi)^3} \left [A_{\lambda}(\vec{k}) \vec{\epsilon}_{\lambda}(\vec{k}) \exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega_k t + \mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}) + A^*_{\lambda}(\vec{k}) \vec{\epsilon}_{\lambda}^*(\vec{k}) \exp[+\mathrm{i} \omega_k t -\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x} \right].$$
Here ##\vec{\epsilon}_{\lambda}(\vec{k})## are orthogonal to ##\vec{k}## and helicitity eigenstates (referring to left- and right-circular polarization) and ##\omega_k=c |\vec{k}|##.
 
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Classically, the distinction between positive and negative frequencies makes no sense as an electromagnetic wave is always a superposition ##a\exp(i(\mathbf{kr}-\omega t))+a^*\exp(-i(\mathbf{kr}-\omega t))##.
 
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It seems this is a good time to close this thread and put the discussion of negative indices and frequencies to rest.

Thank you all for contributing here.

Jedi
 
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