How does an index of refraction affect the EM field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of the index of refraction on electromagnetic (EM) fields, particularly in the context of deriving equations for EM waves in homogeneous materials. Participants explore the relationships between wave velocity, wavelength, and the parameters of the medium, as well as the derivation of wave equations from Maxwell's equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that changing the wavelength and wave vector according to the index of refraction is sufficient to derive the EM field equations in a homogeneous material.
  • Another participant reiterates the wave equation and emphasizes that the velocity of the wave is determined by the permittivity and permeability of the material, indicating that these parameters are crucial for understanding wave behavior.
  • There is a clarification that the wavelength and frequency are determined by the source of the wave, not solely by the wave equation itself.
  • Some participants note that the equations for EM waves in a vacuum can be adapted for a medium by replacing ε0μ0 with εμ, where ε and μ are the permittivity and permeability of the medium, respectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of changing the wavelength and velocity to derive the equations for EM waves in a medium. While some agree on the importance of these changes, others emphasize the foundational role of Maxwell's equations and the source of the wave in determining properties like wavelength and frequency. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of the proposed approach.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between the wave parameters and the derivation process, as well as the dependence on definitions of permittivity and permeability in different contexts.

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Hello. Say I have some refraction index n in a homogeneous material. Say I also have equations for the EM field (E and B vectors). Is it true to say that all that changes is the wavelength
\lambda \to \frac{\lambda_0}{n}
and consequently the wave vector
k \to k_0 n ?
Is it enough to account for this wavelength change to derive the EM field equations in a homogeneous material of refraction index n?
 
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The equation of a one dimensional traveling wave is
2A/∂x2 = (1/v2)∂2A/∂t2

where v is the velocity of the wave.

Maxwell's wave equation is

2E/∂x2 = (εμ) ∂2E/∂t2

Where ε and μ are the permittivity and permeability of the material respectively

recognizing that this is a traveling wave equation the velocity of the wave would be

v= 1/(εμ)½

in a vacuum v =c = 1/(ε0μ0)½
 
gleem said:
The equation of a one dimensional traveling wave is
2A/∂x2 = (1/v2)∂2A/∂t2

where v is the velocity of the wave.

Maxwell's wave equation is

2E/∂x2 = (εμ) ∂2E/∂t2

Where ε and μ are the permittivity and permeability of the material respectively

recognizing that this is a traveling wave equation the velocity of the wave would be

v= 1/(εμ)½

in a vacuum v =c = 1/(ε0μ0)½
Thank you for the reply. Yes, the velocity changes and consequently both the wavelength and the wave number change as well. So changing the velocity, wavelength and all the functions of these quantities of the EM wave should be sufficient to get the equations of the EM wave in a material, is that correct?
 
2sin54 said:
So changing the velocity, wavelength and all the functions of these quantities of the EM wave should be sufficient to get the equations of the EM wave in a material, is that correct?

I do not understand your question. The EM wave equation is derived directly for Maxwell's four equations. It relates the spatial variation to the time variation. The solution of the wave equation then provides the velocity. The wavelength and frequency are determined by the source of the wave not the wave equation itself.
 
gleem said:
I do not understand your question. The EM wave equation is derived directly for Maxwell's four equations. It relates the spatial variation to the time variation. The solution of the wave equation then provides the velocity. The wavelength and frequency are determined by the source of the wave not the wave equation itself.
Sorry for not being clear. I meant to say that I have the equations for the EM wave (in terms of E and B) in a vacuum (n = 1) and I wish to determine the equations for the same wave when it travels through a homogeneous medium (n != 1).
 
The only difference is that ε0μ0 is replaced by εμ for the particular medium you are interested in remember

μ = Kmμ0 Km = relative permeability

ε= Keε0 = Ke = dielectric constant.(relative permittivity )
 
gleem said:
The only difference is that ε0μ0 is replaced by εμ for the particular medium you are interested in remember

μ = Kmμ0 Km = relative permeability

ε= Keε0 = Ke = dielectric constant.(relative permittivity )
Thank you. That more or less confirms my thoughts.
 

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