Do Equal Dimension Subspaces Imply Equality?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between two subspaces A and B within a finite vector space V, specifically focusing on whether equal dimensions imply that the subspaces are identical (A = B).

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  • Participants explore the implications of equal dimensions of subspaces, questioning whether this leads to equality of the subspaces themselves. Some participants present counterexamples to challenge the original poster's reasoning.

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The discussion includes various perspectives on the equality of subspaces given equal dimensions. Some participants have provided clarifications and counterexamples, while others have suggested conditions under which equality might hold, such as one subspace being a subspace of the other.

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Participants are examining the definitions and properties of subspaces, particularly in the context of finite vector spaces and the implications of dimensionality. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between different subspaces and their bases.

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A and B are two subspaces contained in a finite vector space V and

dimA = dimB

Can we conclude A=B?

In that subspaces A and B are really the same subspace and every element in one is in the other?

I think yes because if dimA=dimB then their basis will contain the same number of vectors. These vectors span their respective subspaces. Given that each basis set contain an equal number of linearly indepedent vectors, they can be reduced to the standard vectors in V. Hence both spaces can be spanned by a single set of standard vectors in V so space A=B.
 
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If V has dimension greater than 1, then it has at least 2 independent vectors- that is it has a basis {v1, v2,...}.

Let A be the subspace spanned by v1 and let B be the subspace spanned by v2 so that they both have the same dimension, 1. Are A and B equal? That is, do they contain exactly the same vectors?

Here's your reasoning error: " Given that each basis set contain an equal number of linearly indepedent vectors, they can be reduced to the standard vectors in V."
That's not true. In the xy-plane, the x-axis is the subspace spanned by i and y is the subspace spanned by j. Yes, they can be reduced to the "standard" vectors in V but not the same standard vectors. Even more, the line y= x is a subspace, spanned by the single vector i+ j. It's basis cannot be reduced to a subset of the standard vectors.
 
I see what you are getting at. What about if I add that A is a subspace of B. And if dimA = dimB than A=B.
 
Yes, if A is a subspace of B and has the same dimension, then A= B.
 

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