Do free electrons protons neutrons assemble into atoms?

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The discussion centers on the assembly of protons, neutrons, and electrons into atoms, exploring the underlying theories and conditions that facilitate this process. Participants question why these elementary particles do not simply bind in a straightforward manner and whether they spontaneously form atoms under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about existing theories that explain the assembly of protons, neutrons, and electrons into atoms and questions the complexity of atomic formation.
  • Another participant suggests that protons and electrons can pair up easily under certain conditions, but nucleons require immense pressure to combine effectively.
  • A participant notes that free neutrons have a short half-life and need to be in high concentrations with protons to combine into elements before decaying.
  • References to nucleosynthesis, particularly in the context of the Big Bang and stellar processes, are provided as potentially relevant theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the conditions necessary for the assembly of particles into atoms, with some agreeing on the need for high pressure and concentration, while others highlight the complexity and potential arbitrariness of atomic formation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these processes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the dependence of particle assembly on conditions such as pressure and concentration, as well as the limitations posed by the short lifespan of free neutrons. These factors are acknowledged but not fully explored.

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Dear Physics Forum,

I wanted to know if there is any theory of elementary particles that explains why protons, neutrons, and electrons assemble into atoms? When these particles were first made in the Universe, why do the assemble into atoms? For example, why don't electrons simply bind protons in a 1:1 manner, and let the free neutrons decay? In a experimental preparation of electrons, neutrons, and protons, do they spontaneously assemble into atoms?

Atoms strike me as a somewhat arbitrary and overly complicated preparation of these components...Is there theory on this?

Thanks very much,
Mark
 
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I believe protons and electrons will pair up quite easily if left alone together - after a few drinks, that is.

Nucleons (particles from the nucleus) won't without immense pressure, like inside of stars as alemsalem mentioned.
 
Thanks very much - the article on nucleosynthesis and the pressure dependence of nucleosynthesis were very helpful (after a few drinks!)
Mark
 
Neutrons don't exist for very long on their own. Free neutrons have a half life of about 14 minutes. That implies they need to be in a relatively high concentration with protons etc before they are likely to combine into elements before they split back into protons and electrons.
You need 'stellar mass' for the process to work to any significant degree, I think.
 

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