Do Particle Collisions at the LHC Always Produce the Same Elementary Particles?

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The discussion centers around the nature of particle collisions at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and whether these collisions consistently produce the same elementary particles. Participants explore the implications of collision energy, the types of particles involved, and the insights that can be gained from analyzing the results of these high-energy interactions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the outcome of collisions depends on the specific energies and the mix of particles involved, noting that there are more than three types of fundamental particles in nature.
  • Others argue that experiments are designed to maximize the probability of producing interesting results, such as the Higgs boson, which confirms aspects of the standard model.
  • It is noted that protons, neutrons, and electrons produced in collisions are identical to those found elsewhere, while other particles, such as pions and kaons, are also frequently created.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of producing more than ten particles in a single collision, with some events resulting in the production of up to 100 new particles.
  • Insights into particle production can be gained by studying correlations between different particles, their lifetimes, decay mechanisms, and angular distributions of decay products.
  • One participant raises a question about the stability of particles produced immediately after collisions, suggesting that energy typically decays rather than forming stable particles.
  • A later reply clarifies that the collision products can include stable particles, both directly produced and formed from the decays of unstable particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the consistency of particle production in collisions, with some emphasizing the variability based on energy and particle mix, while others highlight the presence of stable particles among the products. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of stability in collision products.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the definitions of stability and the conditions under which particles are produced, as well as the dependence on experimental setups and theoretical models.

Ronie Bayron
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At the LHC, particles are accelerated at near light speed to produce heavier particles in the collision E=mc2. Are the resulting particles in the collision produce the same fundamental atomic particles (electron, neutron, proton).
What are the the chances of producing the same elementary particles so as, different unique particles.

What are the insights can you formulate from the process of collision then?
 
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1. depends on the specific energies and mix of particles... there are more that three different kinds of particle in Nature
2. it depends on the specific energies and the mix of particles - the experiment is usually rigged to give a high probability of getting something interesting.
3. usually the idea is to test some theoretical model for reality.
For example, very high energy collisions were used to produce the higgs boson and so confirm an important aspect of the standard model.

Think of it like this: you have two balls of dry clay and you are going to hurl them together so they smash and then try to track the bits that fly off.
You are asking if the bits that fly off are the same as the lumps you smashed together, what the probabilities are of getting each of the different possible bits that could fly off, and what one coukd possibly learn from the exercise.
 
Protons, neutrons and electrons are produced in large amounts in the collisions, and they are exactly the same as every other proton, neutron and electron in the world.
Other particles are created in large numbers as well. More than 10 particles in a collision are frequent, collisions that produce 100 new particles exist as well.

The pion is the most frequent collision product, kaons, protons and neutrons are quite frequent as well, the other particles are less common.
Ronie Bayron said:
What are the insights can you formulate from the process of collision then?
You can study how often which particle gets created, as function of the flight direction and energy of the particle, you can study the correlation between the production of particle 1 and particle 2 (or even more particles), you can study their lifetime, decay mechanisms, the angular distributions of the decay products, and so on. That allows to test theories predicting all those numbers.
 
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mfb said:
Protons, neutrons and electrons are produced in large amounts in the collisions, and they are exactly the same as every other proton, neutron and electron in the world.
Other particles are created in large numbers as well. More than 10 particles in a collision are frequent, collisions that produce 100 new particles exist as well.

The pion is the most frequent collision product, kaons, protons and neutrons are quite frequent as well, the other particles are less common.You can study how often which particle gets created, as function of the flight direction and energy of the particle, you can study the correlation between the production of particle 1 and particle 2 (or even more particles), you can study their lifetime, decay mechanisms, the angular distributions of the decay products, and so on. That allows to test theories predicting all those numbers.
Interesting, but so far, we haven't yet created a stable particle right after collision? All of the energy that was transpired decayed consequently?
 
The collision products include stable particles, both produced directly and produced in the decays of unstable particles.
 

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