Does a subspace containing a set of vectors also contain their span?

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The discussion revolves around proving that if a subspace W contains a set of vectors S, then W also contains the span of S. The subject area is linear algebra, specifically focusing on vector spaces and their properties.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between a subspace and the span of a set of vectors, with attempts to provide proofs and checks for correctness. Questions arise regarding specific steps in the proof and the validity of certain expressions used.

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Some participants have provided simpler proofs and expressed confidence in their correctness. Others are seeking validation for their own reasoning and have acknowledged mistakes in their initial attempts. The discussion reflects a mix of approaches and interpretations without a clear consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of vectors and scalars in the proof attempts, highlighting the need for careful consideration of definitions and operations within vector spaces.

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Homework Statement


Prove that if subspace W contain a set of vectors S, then W contain the span(S)

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Let's take a vector [itex]x\in span(S)[/itex], i have to show [itex]x\in W[/itex] also. (*)
So since [itex]x\in span(S)[/itex] there are scalrs [itex]c_1...c_n[/itex] so that [itex]x = c_1s_1 ...c_ns_n[/itex] where [itex]s_1...s_n[/itex] are elements of S.
Let's take [itex]s_1 = \frac{x}{c_1} - \frac{c_2}{c_1} - ...-\frac{c_n}{c_1}[/itex] which is of course an elemtent of S.
Since [itex]S \subseteq W[/itex] s is an element of W also.
Since W is a vector space [itex]c_1s_1 + c_2s_2 + ... + c_ns_n = x[/itex] is still an element of W, so x is an element of W

I'd like a check, thanks :)

EDIT: I'm adding a part after the (*)
If x is the zero vector, then any space contains the zero vector and we are done. If x is not the zero vector then there are scalars [itex]c_1...c_n[/itex] where at least one is not zero, let that scalar be c_1, so that [itex]x = c_1s_1 ...c_ns_n[/itex] where [itex]s_1...s_n[/itex] . . .
 
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If W contains S, since W is a subspace, any linear combinations of the vectors in S will also in W, hence W contains span(S).
 
Thank you, and your proof is even much simpler and short than mine.
But i still would like to know if mine is correct.
 
I'd just use what Some Pig used too, if you're a subspace you contain the span of any combination of your vectors.

Regarding your proof, your last two lines are all you really need as such your proof is correct.
 
Thanks a lot
 
No problem buddy!
 
Dansuer said:

Let's take [itex]s_1 = \frac{x}{c_1} - \frac{c_2}{c_1} - ...-\frac{c_n}{c_1}[/itex] which is of course an elemtent of S.
Since [itex]S \subseteq W[/itex] s is an element of W also.


This is wrong (and useless) since s1 is already given, not what you specify, and x is a vector and c2/c1,etc. are scalars, the subtraction is undefined
 
Yes i made a huge mistake in writing that, what i meant to say was [itex]s_1 = \frac{x}{c_1} - \frac{c_2}{c_1}s_2 - ...-\frac{c_n}{c_1}s_n[/itex]
 

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