Does a terminal velocity exist?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of terminal velocity, specifically whether it exists for free-falling bodies under the influence of gravity and air resistance. Participants explore the conditions under which terminal velocity is reached and the factors that influence its value, including the object's mass and aerodynamic properties.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that terminal velocity exists and is reached when the force of aerodynamic drag equals the force of gravity, halting further acceleration.
  • It is noted that terminal velocity varies based on the object's aerodynamic properties and mass, with examples such as feathers falling slower than bowling balls due to differing drag forces.
  • One participant emphasizes that in a vacuum, a falling body continues to accelerate without reaching terminal velocity.
  • Another participant requests a specific numerical value for terminal velocity, highlighting the variability based on object characteristics.
  • Some participants mention that terminal velocity is higher for streamlined shapes compared to less aerodynamic ones, such as a skydiver's position affecting their terminal velocity.
  • A participant introduces a hypothetical scenario involving a 10kg iron ball dropped from the stratosphere, seeking a boundary limit for its terminal velocity.
  • One participant argues that a mouse dropped from a great height would not die due to its low terminal velocity, which is comparable to falling from a much shorter distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that terminal velocity exists and is influenced by various factors, but there is no consensus on a specific value or limit for terminal velocity, as it varies widely based on the object's characteristics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of terminal velocity on factors such as shape, mass, and air resistance, but does not resolve the specific numerical values or limits for different objects.

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Does a terminal velocity exist? Like when a free falling body is under the influence of gravity, does it stop accelerating after a certain velocity? If yes.. What's that velocity?
 
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A terminal velocity exists which depends on the aerodynamic properties of the object itself. The basic gist is that gravity is a constant force, while the aerodynamic drag depends on velocity (for simple approximations, a linear ##v## dependence is used, e.g. in introductory physics, for more complicated objects, obviously more complicated dependencies arise, starting first with a ##v^2## dependence). As the object speeds up, eventually, if it is falling from a high enough place, it should be moving so fast that the aerodynamic drag equals the force of gravity, and it should stop accelerating.

What this number is depends very much on the object itself. In this case, the mass of the object matters because the force of gravity is dependent on its mass, while the aerodynamic drag is dependent on the way it contacts the air (it's surface area properties). This is why a feather will, in the presence of an atmosphere, fall much slower than a bowling ball.

See here for a more detailed discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity
 
Sagar98 said:
Does a terminal velocity exist? Like when a free falling body is under the influence of gravity, does it stop accelerating after a certain velocity? If yes.. What's that velocity?

In a vacuum, a falling body will continue to accelerate and gain speed until it hits the surface.

However, if the object is falling through air, there will be air resistance - and the greater thevspeed of the falling object, the greater the air resistance. Thus, an object falling in air will gain speed until the force of air resistance matches force of gravity, and then it will stay at that speed.

That speed where air resistance matches gravity is the terminal velocity.
 
Thanks, But is there any specific value for that velocity that once attained, the body stops acceleration?
 
Sagar98 said:
Thanks, But is there any specific value for that velocity that once attained, the body stops acceleration?

As Matterweave has pointed out, it depends. The terminal velocity for a feather is less than that for a bowling ball.
 
Sagar98 said:
Thanks, But is there any specific value for that velocity that once attained, the body stops acceleration?

Yes, but it depends on the aerodynamic characteristics of the body. The terminal velocity of a brick, for example, will be different than for an object with a more streamlined shape, like a bird.

The NASA website has a page which discusses terminal velocity:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/termv.html
 
See, a feather, or a piece of paper etc. Are exceptions, due to high aur resistance acting on then and low weight. I'm talking about say a 10kg iron ball the size of a soccer ball gets dropped. *suppose* from the stratosphere.. Which is I'm not wrong is 50km from the surface of the earth. So it attains certain velocity after getting accelerated under free fall due to g . I'm asking what is the limit to this velocity. The boundary limit in numbers.
 
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Sagar98 said:
Thanks, But is there any specific value for that velocity that once attained, the body stops acceleration?

No. It depends on the shape and the weight of the object. Skydivers know that the terminal velocity is much higher in a head-first vertical dive than if you're lying flat with arms and legs outspread.
 
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@streamKing, Thanks, That makes sense. I got it. Thanks a lot.
 
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A mouse would not die, if dropped from the Empire State Building. it is so light and its area is big enough to make its terminal velocity the same as being dropped from just a few metres.
 
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Sagar98 said:
@streamKing, Thanks, That makes sense. I got it. Thanks a lot.

It's SteamKing (no 'r'), but you're welcome.
 

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