Does anyone know an infinite series summation that is to 1/5 or 1/7?

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The discussion revolves around the search for infinite series summations that equal the values of 1/5 or 1/7. Participants explore various types of series, including geometric, trigonometric, and factorial series, while also questioning the existence of more general solutions for representing these fractions through infinite series.

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  • Some participants suggest that geometric series can be constructed to sum to any desired value, including 1/5 or 1/7.
  • Others propose using the series expansion of functions, such as trigonometric functions, to derive these values.
  • A participant mentions a trivial series where the first term is 1/5 and all subsequent terms are zero.
  • There is a suggestion to use a normalizing factor to achieve the desired sums, referencing the series for e.
  • Some participants express curiosity about whether there are general solutions for infinite series that can yield any whole integer fraction by changing the index of summation.
  • One participant introduces a specific sequence and summation that they believe could cover the desired values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views on how to construct series that sum to 1/5 or 1/7. No consensus is reached on a single method or solution, and participants continue to explore various approaches.

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Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of certain series and the potential for errors in earlier claims. The discussion also highlights the limitations of existing methods and the desire for more comprehensive solutions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying infinite series, mathematical analysis, or anyone looking to understand different approaches to summing series to specific values.

mesa
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The title pretty much says it all, does anyone know infinite series summations that are equal to 1/5 or 1/7?
 
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You can easily invent a geometric series that sums to any value you want.

Or you could do something like the series expansion of ##\frac 1 5 \sin \pi##.
 
AlephZero said:
You can easily invent a geometric series that sums to any value you want.

Or you could do something like the series expansion of ##\frac 1 5 \sin \pi##.

Excellent! We can get those by changing the initial value and inputting different integers into the series.

Do you know of any other ways to get to these values outside of geometric and trigonometric series? For example do we have a factorial series for calculating these values?
 
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Any function whose value you can calculate and whose Taylor series can be expanded will give you a series. What is the purpose of this question?
 
AlephZero said:
Or you could do something like the series expansion of ##\frac 1 5 \sin \pi##.
That won't get him 1/5, though. :-p

I'm sure that was a typo. mesa, he probably meant ##\frac{\sin\frac{\pi}{2}}{5}##.
 
How about the trivial example where the first term in the series is 1/5 and all the remaining terms are zero? No need to get all fancy here guys!
 
jgens said:
How about the trivial example where the first term in the series is 1/5 and all the remaining terms are zero? No need to get all fancy here guys!
Indeed.

mesa, you should look back at your other thread on infinite series. Many of the same series (plural) apply here.
 
Get any sum that yields any finite number, multiply it by a "normalizing factor".

e=\sum_0^\infty\frac 1 {n!}

so

\frac 1 5 = \sum_0^\infty\frac 1 {5en!}
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Any function whose value you can calculate and whose Taylor series can be expanded will give you a series. What is the purpose of this question?

To get an idea of what is out there. Do we have a 'general solution' outside of geometric series, trig, and normalizing factors for solving all whole integer fractions with '1' in the numerator through infinite series?

Mandelbroth said:
That won't get him 1/5, though. :-p

I'm sure that was a typo. mesa, he probably meant ##\frac{\sin\frac{\pi}{2}}{5}##.

Very good, it can be tough to spot errors late on New Years Eve... :)

jgens said:
How about the trivial example where the first term in the series is 1/5 and all the remaining terms are zero? No need to get all fancy here guys!

Hah!

Mandelbroth said:
Indeed.

mesa, you should look back at your other thread on infinite series. Many of the same series (plural) apply here.

Yes they do, I was curious if we had more 'general' solutions for infinite series that would give whole integer fractions.

Borek said:
Get any sum that yields any finite number, multiply it by a "normalizing factor".

e=\sum_0^\infty\frac 1 {n!}

so

\frac 1 5 = \sum_0^\infty\frac 1 {5en!}

That looks familiar :)

Seydlitz said:
One mentor gave me this link a couple of months ago, it's basically a comprehensive table of integrals and sum of series. You can find pretty interesting series there.

http://atsol.fis.ucv.cl/dariop/sites...ij_Engl._2.pdf

Hmmm, that link doesn't seem to be working?
 
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Mandelbroth said:
I'm sure that was a typo.

More of a brain-fart than a typo. I divided ##2\pi## by ##2## and got ##\pi##. Full marks for arithmetic, but zero marks for doing the wrong sum. :redface:
 
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1/5 = 0.19999...

1/7 = 0.142857142857...
 
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AlephZero said:
More of a brain-fart than a typo. I divided ##2\pi## by ##2## and got ##\pi##. Full marks for arithmetic, but zero marks for doing the wrong sum. :redface:
Nah. We all make mistakes or have lapses in genius from time to time. It's all good. :biggrin:

mesa said:
Yes they do, I was curious if we had more 'general' solutions for infinite series that would give whole integer fractions.
What do you mean "more general"?
 
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Mandelbroth said:
What do you mean "more general"?

I should probably have said, 'general solution' for an infinite series that can be used to get any whole integer fraction by changing the index of summation. For example, an infinite series that would be able to compute 1/5 and 1/7 simply by changing the index. Do you know if we have anything like this?
 
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If you want a series that converges to c, take a series that converges to b, and add this term: (c-b) to the front.
 
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Robert1986 said:
If you want a series that converges to c, take a series that converges to b, and add this term: (c-b) to the front.

That certainly would work much like Boreks suggestion of using a 'normalizing factor'.

Do you know of any series that will equal all whole integer fractions by simply changing the lower limit of summation?
 
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mesa said:
That certainly would work much like Boreks suggestion of using a 'normalizing factor'.

Do you know of any series that will equal all whole integer fractions by simply changing the lower limit of summation?

Consider the sequence $$a_i=\{1,-1,\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},-1,\frac{1}{3},\frac{1}{3},\frac{1}{3},-1,...\}.$$

##\displaystyle \sum_{n_0\leq i\leq n}a_i## should cover everything you want. :-p
 
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Mandelbroth said:
Consider the sequence $$a_i=\{1,-1,\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},-1,\frac{1}{3},\frac{1}{3},\frac{1}{3},-1,...\}.$$

##\displaystyle \sum_{n_0\leq i\leq n}a_i## should cover everything you want. :-p

Brilliant!
...and I need to brush up on my writing comprehension skills, you guys are too clever :redface:
 

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