Does between UEL and LEL can be have more powerfull explosion.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether a mixture of flammable gases between the upper explosive limit (UEL) and lower explosive limit (LEL) can produce a more powerful explosion compared to mixtures near either limit. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of explosive mixtures and their behavior under various conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the most powerful explosion occurs around the stoichiometric mix, which is near the midpoint between UEL and LEL.
  • Others question whether the maximum explosion pressure is exactly at the midpoint, suggesting that various factors influence the actual peak pressure.
  • A participant mentions specific limits for hydrogen gas, indicating that the maximum explosion pressure is at 35.5% concentration, but this is challenged by the need to consider other conditions.
  • It is noted that factors such as vessel shape, ignition method, material distribution, and environmental conditions can affect the explosion characteristics.
  • Some participants agree that while the peak pressure will be close to the stoichiometric point, it may not be precisely at that point due to these influencing factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the maximum explosion pressure occurs exactly at the midpoint between UEL and LEL, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the dependence on specific conditions and assumptions about the explosive mixture and its environment, which remain unresolved.

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Umm, what?
 
He's asking if a mixture somewhere between the upper explosive limit and lower explosive limit is going to generate a more powerful explosion than one near either end point.

And the answer is yes. The most powerful explosion should be right around stoichiometric mix, which should be around the mid point between UEL and LEL.
 
you say the powerful explosion will be arond the mid point... do you mean the powrrful explosion (pressure) is not exactly in the mid point..
 
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like a hydrogen gas the lower explosion limit is 4% ...and the uper explosion limit is 74%... and between them exactly 35.5% ...that will be maxmim powerful explosion pressure...do i say correct
 
taregg said:
you say the powerful explosion will be arond the mid point... do you mean the powrrful explosion (pressure) is not exactly in the mid point..

It depends on many conditions, including the shape of the vessel in which the explosion happens, the way in which the mixture is ignited, specific details of what the flammable material is and how it is distributed, any turbulence or air currents... People who design high-performance automobile engines spend an enormous amount of time on these details.

So the peak won't necessarily be exactly at the stoichiometric point, but as K^2 says, it will be pretty close.
 

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