Does Earth's Inward Electric Field Result in Outward Electric Flux?

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The discussion revolves around the electric flux associated with Earth's electric field, which is directed radially inward with an average magnitude of 150 N/C near the surface. Participants are tasked with calculating the net electric flux through a spherical surface surrounding the Earth.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the direction of the electric field and the calculation of electric flux, questioning whether the net flux can be outward given the inward direction of the field lines. There is discussion about the implications of Gauss's theorem and how it relates to the sign of the flux.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the net electric flux, debating whether it can be negative or zero. There are differing opinions on the interpretation of the flux's sign and its implications for the net flux direction, indicating an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the nature of electric flux and the implications of the electric field's direction, with some uncertainty about the definitions and interpretations of net flux in this context.

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Homework Statement



The Earth possesses an electric field of (average) magnitude 150 N/C near its surface. The field points radially inward. Calculate the net electric flux outward through a spherical surface surrounding, and just beyond, the Earth's surface.

Homework Equations



Flux = EAcos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that flux is proportional to the number of lines passing through a surface. Thus, we only need to calculate the the flux with respect to earth.

What confuses me is that, is there any net flux outward? Since the field lines point inward, and infinitesimally small surface vectors point outward, the sign of the flux will be negative. If the flux is negative, then there is a net flux into the volume. So I don't know if the answer is zero or simply (+-?)150*(4*pi*r^2), where r is the radius of the Earth.
 
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all the flux is outward on a closed surface. do you know gauss theorem ?
 
Xsnac said:
all the flux is outward on a closed surface. do you know gauss theorem ?

\Phi = \oint \vec{E}*d\vec{A}

d\vec{A} always points outward from the enclosed surface.
So depending on \vec{E}, the flux can either be positive or negative?
 
hitemup said:
\Phi = \oint \vec{E}*d\vec{A}

d\vec{A} always points outward from the enclosed surface.
So depending on \vec{E}, the flux can either be positive or negative?
I'm not sure but I think that flux can eighter be 0 or positive . not negative.
 
What confuses me is that, is there any net flux outward? ##\qquad##correct
Since the field lines point inward, ##\qquad## ##\qquad####\qquad####\qquad##correct
and infinitesimally small surface vectors point outward, ##\qquad##correct
the sign of the flux will be negative. ##\qquad## ##\qquad## ##\qquad## ##\qquad##correct
If the flux is negative, then there is a net flux into the volume. ##\qquad##correct

So I don't know if the answer is zero or simply (+-?)150*(4*pi*r^2), where r is the radius of the Earth.
##\qquad## no reason to shy away from what you deduced: ##-## 150*(4*pi*r^2)

This does represent a net outward flux, with a negative sign. Net in the scientific sense of non-zero(*). Like a net force can have a negative sign if the positive axis points the other way. Common language doesn't like that and claims that net outward has to be positive definite. Maybe that explains our hesitation.

(*) And even that isn't very scientific: net is net and doesn't say anything about the value; it can be zero just as well.
 
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Xsnac said:
I'm not sure but I think that flux can eighter be 0 or positive . not negative.
The flux can be and in this case is negative (outward). That's equivalent to saying that the net flux is inward.
 

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