Does focusing light with a lens create a light gradient?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of light focusing through lenses, particularly in relation to the creation of light gradients and potential energy implications. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of light concentration, including its effects on intensity and energy distribution.

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  • One participant suggests that focusing light with a lens increases photon concentration at a focal point, potentially creating a light intensity gradient that could be harnessed for energy.
  • Another participant agrees that focusing light increases intensity in a smaller area while decreasing it in a larger area, emphasizing that energy is conserved overall.
  • A participant introduces the concept of concentrated solar power as a practical application of light focusing, linking it to energy generation.
  • Discussion includes an exploration of the eye's focusing mechanism, with a participant attempting a calculation related to photon distribution on the retina, although they express uncertainty about the assumptions made.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that 90% of light is redirected to the fovea, explaining that light enters the eye from multiple angles and that the fovea is not the sole recipient of focused light.

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Participants generally agree that focusing light alters intensity distribution, but there is disagreement regarding the specifics of how light is focused in the eye and the assumptions about photon distribution. The discussion remains unresolved on the implications of these findings for energy extraction.

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Limitations include assumptions about the percentage of light redirected to the fovea and the complexity of real-world light interactions, which may not align with simplified models.

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*disclaimer I am not a physicist

Had a weird thought the other day - when you focus light with a lens, for example a magnifying glass, you basically increase the 'concentration of photons' at a certain point, right? But then energy is conserved... so wouldn't focusing some of the light on one spot then create a 'lack of light' or shade on another, adjacent spot? And might this not create an intensity gradient = a heat gradient = something which could be mined for energy? I mean I asked a physicist friend who said that because of diffraction focusing light doesn't create an 'energy peak' at the focal point but rather a series of rings each of weaker intensity but this still sounds like a type of gradient to my untrained ears...

What say you oh great hivemind?

Thanks :)
 
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Yes, focusing the light will increase the light falling on a small area at the expense of reducing the light falling on a larger area. The total light still remains the same, you are just moving some of it around. This is hard to see outside with a magnifying glass, but it may be easier it you shine a small flashlight into the magnifying glass inside in the dark.

This effect is already used to generate power in solar power stations and is known as concentrated solar power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power
 
cool, thanks :)
 
Also, it's fun to think of the eye as an example of light focusing.
Found quite a bit of info online on the general properties of the eye and a smaller amount on the total numbers of photons hitting the retina but none that explicitly described the spatial distribution of impacting photons.

So a rather silly back of the envelope calculation -
Retinal area is about 1000mm^2
Fovea centralis area is about 2.5mm^2
so fovea area is ~500-fold smaller than total retina
+ let's assume 90% of incident light is redirected to the fovea (my wild guess)
then remaining 10% of light redistributed over 500-fold larger area gives 4 orders of magnitude difference in number of incident photons per foveal area.
Which, at 4e-19 J per photon at 500nm or 2e-22 degrees C per photon is not much of a heat difference... ah well
 
query_ious said:
+ let's assume 90% of incident light is redirected to the fovea (my wild guess)

Not true. Just look off to the side of a bright light. The light from the lightbulb will be focused off of the fovea.

Your original example just dealt with a single source of light. In real life light is entering the eye from every angle and a real image is formed on the retina that is a mirror image of the scene in front of the eye. The fovea is simply the area of the retina that is at the center of the eye's optical axis. It is on the optical axis that most aberrations inherent to any optical system are minimized and visual acuity is maximized.
 

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