Does increasing slit size in spectroscopy affect SNR?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between slit size in spectroscopy and its effect on signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual implications of changing slit size, particularly in the context of spectrometers and their performance in emissions work.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a personal observation that wider slits or higher throughput monochromators yield better SNR, though not necessarily better resolution.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between slit size in spectroscopy and aperture size in telescopes, suggesting that increasing the light gathering area could improve SNR, but expresses uncertainty about the specifics of how this applies to slit width.
  • A participant mentions that the slit width acts as a frequency domain integrating device, similar to pixel binning on CCDs, and seeks a rigorous mathematical analysis of this relationship.
  • One participant states that SNR is proportional to the square root of the sample size, implying that higher signal equates to more samples taken over time.
  • Another participant introduces complexity by discussing the effects of shot noise in photon-driven CCDs, outlining four variables that influence SNR: exposure time, number of samples, collective samples, and pixel aggregation.
  • This participant conjectures that increasing slit size at the expense of resolving power is mathematically comparable to increasing the binning factor in pixel aggregation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between slit size and SNR, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the mathematical analysis or the implications of increasing slit size.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity introduced by factors such as shot noise and the interplay between different variables affecting SNR, indicating that the discussion is nuanced and dependent on specific conditions.

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Anyone know a source for a mathematical analysis relating the slit-size/throughput for a spectrometer vs SNR?

I find that I always get better SNR (but not necessarily resolution) with a wider slit or higher throughput monochromator when doing emissions work.
Fritz
 
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This seems similar to having a larger aperture for my telescope. More light gathering for the object. I'm not familiar with spectrometers so I don't know for sure if the effect is the same for slit width. I THINK that if you double the light gathering area, you double the light from the object but only get the square root of the new noise. I know that's how it works for S/N ratio from exposure times, but I'm not sure about aperture. So, if correct, then increasing the signal from 100 to 200 increases the noise from 10 to about 14, and the S/N Ratio from 10 to 14 as well. (All numbers acquired from thin air)

If someone knows for sure please tell us!
 
Thanks for the reply. There is indeed a correlation between a telescope and a spectrometer-not a lot of difference in fact. The slitwidth servers as a frequency domain integrating device, resulting mathematically in something similar to pixel binning on the CCD. I was interested in finding a rigorous anaylsis including effects on resovling power etc. Spectrochemical Analysis (Ingle) grazes the issue but is inconcise.

Thanks again,
Fritz
 
Higher signal is equivalent to taking more samples in time. Basic statistics says that the SNR is proportional to the square root of the sample size.

Claude.
 
You are correct on the basic statistics of the sample size. I think that for photon driven CCD's things become a bit more complex due to the Shot noise that increases with photon flux.

Basically we have 4 variables in this type of spectroscopy:
1) Exposure time per sample
2) number of samples taken before refreshing the CCD (call it S)
3) number of collective samples compounding (2) above (call it N)
4) number of pixels aggregated together to define one "point" on the sample (e.g. binning)

The first 3 are time domain clustering, the later is frequency domain. All of these variables can be jockeyed around to get the best SNR.

Increasing S in lieu of N has advantages since the CCD read noise is the same while the number of samples increases, overwhelming the read noise. The think shot noise increases linearly with all 4. According to my calculations (4) decreases the SNR as the square root of the number of binned pixels.

It is my conjecture that increasing slit size at the expense of resolving power, is comparable mathematically to increasing the binning factor in (4).

Thanks,
Fritz
 

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