Does ionization change velocity of ion?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of ionization on the velocity of ionized nitrogen atoms and the overall temperature of the gas. Participants explore the implications of adding energy to nitrogen gas, specifically focusing on the ionization process and its consequences.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adding 1402kJ of energy to 1 mol of nitrogen will ionize it and questions whether this will change the velocity of the ionized atom and the overall temperature of the gas.
  • Another participant argues that ionization will both heat the gas and ionize some fraction of the molecules, with the effects depending on how the energy is introduced into the system.
  • It is noted that the ionization process typically imparts kinetic energy to both the electron and the remaining atom, with the electron receiving significantly more energy, which can subsequently heat the gas.
  • A participant expresses interest in calculating the change in velocity for ions immediately after ionization and inquires about a formula for this calculation.
  • Another participant mentions conservation of energy and momentum as relevant concepts, indicating that the specifics depend on the details of the ionization process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of how ionization affects velocity and temperature, and multiple perspectives on the effects of energy input remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of nitrogen gas and the ionization process, as well as the dependence on how energy is applied to the system. Specific mathematical details and formulas for calculating changes in velocity are not provided.

Intle
Messages
27
Reaction score
0
If I add 1402kJ of energy to 1 mol of Nitrogen I will ionize it, as I understand it. So when I ionize it, will it actually change the velocity of the ionized atom? What about the overall temperature of the gas?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Intle said:
If I add 1402kJ of energy to 1 mol of Nitrogen I will ionize it, as I understand it.
Atomar nitrogen gas, where you magically prevent the formation of molecules? You'll both heat it and ionize some fraction of the molecules. The relative magnitude of those effects will depend on the way you put that energy into the system.

An ionization process typically gives kinetic energy to both the electron and the remaining atom, but the electron gets much more energy. It can transfer this energy to other particles afterwards, heating the gas.
 
mfb said:
Atomar nitrogen gas, where you magically prevent the formation of molecules? You'll both heat it and ionize some fraction of the molecules. The relative magnitude of those effects will depend on the way you put that energy into the system.

An ionization process typically gives kinetic energy to both the electron and the remaining atom, but the electron gets much more energy. It can transfer this energy to other particles afterwards, heating the gas.
I see. I asked in an earlier question what an easy gas would be to ionize and to get, and I was recommended air which is primarily composed of nitrogen and oxygen but never mind, on further research I see that it actually forms bonds with itself, so you are correct. Sorry about that. However, in fact I am more interested in calculating this change in velocity for ions directly after ionization. Is there a formula I can use?
 
Conservation of energy and momentum. The details depend on details of the ionization process.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K