Does Light Change Color When Refracted in Glass?

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The discussion revolves around whether light changes color when it is refracted in glass, particularly focusing on the relationship between wavelength, frequency, and human perception of color. Participants explore the implications of light transitioning between different media and the nature of color perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light does not change color per se, but rather that the wavelengths get spread out, allowing for the identification of individual colors.
  • Others argue that color does change as it depends on wavelength and frequency, which are linked by the equation λ = c/f.
  • A participant questions whether light has color if it isn't being observed, highlighting the complexity of defining color in this context.
  • Some participants clarify that light does not possess color; it has wavelength and frequency, and color is a perception processed by the human eye and brain.
  • There are discussions about the role of the vitreous humor in color perception, with differing views on its significance in determining color.
  • One participant notes that the frequency of light is what matters when it reaches the retina, suggesting that there is no change in observed color.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the frequency is invariant, indicating that the light path does not affect perception.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding whether light changes color when refracted in glass. There is no consensus, as some assert that color remains unchanged while others argue that it does change based on wavelength and frequency.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in defining color, particularly in relation to perception and the physical properties of light. There are unresolved questions about the role of different media in the perception of color.

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We know that the wavelength of visible light changes when it travels between two media with different refractive indices. Here's my question: does light change colour when it moves from air into glass?

I had quite an interesting but inconclusive discussion about this with my Physics teacher today, with the main point of difficulty being the fact that colour is simply what humans perceive it to be. When you observe light being refracted, you see it after it's left the glass and so there's no way you can directly observe its colour when it's in the glass. You'd have the same problem with any measuring instrument.

I don't even know whether I'm asking the right question. Perhaps a better question would be: what is colour? I'd be grateful if somebody could help me obtain a clearer picture of refracted light, because I'm a little bit confused about this particular aspect of colour.

Thanks
 
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The light does not change colour per se. Its just the various wavelengths that make up the light get spread out which in turn allows you to identify individual colours.
 
rollcast said:
The light does not change colour per se. Its just the various wavelengths that make up the light get spread out which in turn allows you to identify individual colours.

I'm not referring to how some wavelengths are refracted more; rather, I'm talking about the behaviour of a specific wavelength of light when it enters glass, and whether it changes 'colour', as we know it.
 
[STRIKE]The colour does change as the colour depends on wavelength (λ) and frequency.[/STRIKE]
The colour doesn't change as the colour depends on wavelength (λ) and frequency.

And these are linked via the equation

\lambda=\frac{c}{f}

Where λ = wavelength
c = speed of light (dependent on material)
f = frequency

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The only wavelengths that matter are those within the vitreous humor of the eye.
 
rollcast said:
The colour does change as the colour depends on wavelength (λ) and frequency.

And these are linked via the equation

\lambda=\frac{c}{f}

Where λ = wavelength
c = speed of light (dependent on material)
f = frequency

Does the light have a colour if it isn't being observed?

Dr Lots-o'watts said:
The only wavelengths that matter are those within the vitreous humor of the eye.

This is the difficulty we faced when trying to establish whether the light would change colour. Given that in this thread there are differing opinions, I'm glad to know my teacher and I aren't alone in being a little bit unsure.
 
unnddd said:
I'm not referring to how some wavelengths are refracted more; rather, I'm talking about the behaviour of a specific wavelength of light when it enters glass, and whether it changes 'colour', as we know it.

rollcast said:
The colour does change as the colour depends on wavelength (λ) and frequency.

To clarify, light does not posess a "color", it only has wavelength and frequency and other properties such as spin, polarization, etc. Color is what we see after processing the light in our eyes and brains.

Light of a specific wavelength will leave a transparent material and still have the same wavelength. So no, it would not "change color". Shining a red laser through lots of glass would alter the path the light travels, but not its wavelength/frequency.
 
Drakkith said:
To clarify, light does not posess a "color", it only has wavelength and frequency and other properties such as spin, polarization, etc. Color is what we see after processing the light in our eyes and brains.

Light of a specific wavelength will leave a transparent material and still have the same wavelength. So no, it would not "change color". Shining a red laser through lots of glass would alter the path the light travels, but not its wavelength/frequency.

Thanks for the clarification; that's what we were thinking.

Just to make clear what I meant, I wasn't referring to the colour of the light after leaving the glass as that's obviously trivial.
 
unnddd said:
Does the light have a colour if it isn't being observed?



This is the difficulty we faced when trying to establish whether the light would change colour. Given that in this thread there are differing opinions, I'm glad to know my teacher and I aren't alone in being a little bit unsure.

It's not an opinion! Colour is determined by whichever wavelengths were in the vitreous humor! It's an extra medium after air and glass and what not. No ambiguity!
 
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Dr Lots-o'watts said:
It's not an opinion! Colour is determined by whichever wavelengths were in the vitreous humor! It's an extra medium after air and glass and what not. No ambiguity!

I don't think the vitreous humor matters. Once the light reaches your cone cells they have to get through the pigments that cover them. These pigments determines which cells detect red, blue, or green light. So no matter what material was in front of these cells the light would still be the same once it enters them.
 
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It5 is actually the frequency that matters as the light hits the retina, so there is no change in the observed color. This can easily be observed as light of a pure color goes through a large prism. The description of color in terms of wave length is just used as a convenient measure, but it is the wave length in vacuum that relates to color.
 
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From a physical chemistry point of view, it is the frequency of the photon that initiates the necessary chemical reactions that allows the cones in our eyes to detect light. Since frequency is invariant, the light path taken by the photon does not affect what we perceive.

Claude.
 

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