Does light passed through two window screens get polarized?

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The discussion revolves around whether light passing through two window screens becomes polarized and the resulting visual patterns observed. Participants explore the nature of the patterns, including the potential for interference and polarization effects, as well as the characteristics of Moiré patterns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the interference patterns seen when looking through two window screens may indicate that the light is polarized.
  • Another participant counters that the patterns are Moiré patterns, which are unrelated to polarization.
  • It is noted that the distance between the screens may affect the visibility of the patterns, with some suggesting that patterns can appear even when the screens are closer than two feet.
  • A participant mentions that if the light were polarized, using polarized sunglasses would show a difference in brightness when rotated.
  • Clarification is provided that the interference pattern arises from the "wavelength" of the screens rather than the light itself.
  • Historical context is introduced, suggesting that the effects observed may have been noted before the concepts of diffraction and interference of light were fully understood.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the observed patterns are related to polarization or are purely Moiré patterns. There is no consensus on the nature of the patterns or their implications regarding polarization.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between the distance of the screens and the visibility of the patterns, as well as the historical understanding of these phenomena.

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If you take two window screens and hold them, say, a couple feet apart and look through both of them, you see what looks like interference patterns. These types of patterns can also be seen in transparent materials when polarized light is passed through them. More on stressed materials and polarized light: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/photoelastic-stress-analysis. I am thinking that light passed through two window screens is polarized and that’s why you see the interference patterns. Am I right?
 
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Bob8102 said:
a couple feet apart
No pattern when less than that ? :nb)

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Bob8102 said:
I am thinking that light passed through two window screens is polarized
As @Jonathan Scott says, you are seeing Moire patterns, not anything to do with the polarization of light.

One important skill as an inventor is to be able to quickly eliminate false leads and non-fruitful paths of exploration. That helps you to optimize the creative time and other work that you are putting into your ideas for inventions. In this case, there is an easy way for you to tell if the effect you are seeing has anything to do with polarization. Can you say what you think that quick-check might be? :wink:
 
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BTW, a Google Images search turns up lots of examples of Moire patterns:

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If it were polarized, you would be able to hold up polarized sunglasses to it and see a difference in brightness as you rotated the glasses.
 
I'm sure the patterns appear if the screens are closer apart than two feet. According to the above post, it is not polarized light but it is an interference pattern.
 
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Just to be clear it is an interference pattern between the "wavelength" of the screens not of the light.
And just to muddy the water: a vernier scale actually uses a (usually 1D) Moire pattern.
 
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hutchphd said:
Just to be clear it is an interference pattern between the "wavelength" of the screens not of the light.
This effect must have been noticed (between layers of fine cloth) but perhaps not identified and named long before diffraction / interference of light was noticed and explained.
The two effects seem to have been studied at much the same time. Here,
and Here are references to mid 17th Century work. There must have been a lot of thinking about the similarities and differences at the time.

There is additional possible confusion when you look at the patterns you can get when viewing single points of light through a single layer of fine woven cloth. (I still enjoy observing street lamps through the fabric of a rotating umbrella on a wet night.)
 
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