Does Light Speed Change in Water?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light speed when it transitions from air to water and whether its speed remains constant while traveling through water. Participants explore concepts related to the refractive index, the effects of water properties, and the implications of Einstein's theory of relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that light slows down when crossing from air to water, but question whether its speed remains constant in water or slows down further due to water resistance.
  • One participant references the refractive index, suggesting that light is slowed in various media, including water, but maintains that in a vacuum, light speed is constant according to relativity.
  • Another participant asserts that if the physical properties of water remain unchanged, the speed of light is constant within it.
  • Some participants argue that light does slow down in water, with one stating that the question is whether it slows down abruptly at the boundary or gradually as it travels through the water.
  • There is mention of experiments aimed at further slowing down light and discussions about the implications of Newtonian versus Einsteinian mechanics on light speed.
  • Participants discuss the absorption of light intensity with depth in uniform water, clarifying that this is separate from the speed of light within the medium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that light slows down when entering water, but there is disagreement on whether it slows down gradually or maintains a constant speed after the initial transition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of light speed behavior in water.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention conditions such as temperature or composition changes in water that could affect light speed, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these factors. Additionally, the implications of refractive index variations are noted but not fully resolved.

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I know that light slows down once it crosses the border between air and water. But once the light is in water, is its speed constant or does it slow down, much like a person, who has jumped into water from a good height, penetrates water slower and slower due to water resistance?
 
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According to http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html ,

"Light is slowed down in transparent media such as air, water and glass. The ratio by which it is slowed is called the refractive index of the medium and is usually greater than one.* This was discovered by Jean Foucault in 1850."

So... Light could slow down through various materials. But when it travels through a vacuum, its a no because of Einstein's theory of relativity where light is always constant. (I'm not really good in Physics but I guess I'm good in researching XD. But still, I'm trying D:).

Another source: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae509.cfm
 
If the water doesn't change it's physical properties the speed is constant.
 
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hipokrytus said:
I know that light slows down once it crosses the border between air and water. But once the light is in water, is its speed constant or does it slow down, much like a person, who has jumped into water from a good height, penetrates water slower and slower due to water resistance?

The speed is constant unless the temperature or composition of the water changes.
 
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Eg

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Density change with depth, prolly sugar;
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hipokrytus said:
I know that light slows down once it crosses the border between air and water. But once the light is in water, is its speed constant or does it slow down, much like a person, who has jumped into water from a good height, penetrates water slower and slower due to water resistance?
Yes yes yes. It slows down absolutely. There have been experiments to make it slow down more. Measurements such as a Planck length assume light going through a vacuum. Everything points to the fact that light slows down. Saying "The speed of light is constant" simply means that as an object approaches the speed of light, it needs asymptotically infinite energy to continue accelerating. Therefore, there is this restriction on how fast things can go. In addition, if you were traveling at half the speed of light and you were able to view how fast a photon (not moving with you but moving in the same direction) was moving, the photon would still be going the speed of light! Newtonian mechanics say that the photon should be going slower, but Einsteinian mechanics say otherwise.
 
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Yes yes yes. It slows down absolutely. There have been experiments to make it slow down more.
The question posed here is not whether it slows down. It is agreed that it does. The question is whether it slows down abruptly at the boundary and then moves at a new, lower but still constant speed or whether, instead, it slows down gradually as it travels through the water.

The answer is that it moves at a constant speed, barring unusual setups where the refractive index of the water varies through its volume.
 
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If the water is uniform does the intensity vary with depth?
 
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houlahound said:
If the water is uniform does the intensity vary with depth?
If water is illuminated from above, light will be absorbed as it passes deeper and deeper into the water. This has nothing to do with the light slowing down as it penetrates further (which it does not).
 
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Thank you for your posts.
 

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