Does Newton's 1st Law Apply to Satellites in Year 10 Physics?

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Newton's first law does not apply to satellites because they are in orbit, experiencing a net gravitational force that keeps them moving in a curved path. While some may mistakenly consider centrifugal force as a real force acting on the satellite, it is actually an inertial force perceived from a rotating frame of reference. In the satellite's inertial frame, only gravity acts on it, allowing it to maintain a stable orbit. The discussion clarifies that the satellite's motion is not consistent with the first law, which applies only when no net forces are acting on an object. Understanding these concepts can help clarify misconceptions about orbital mechanics.
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Im an aussie in yr 10 pathway 1 physics, so I am no Newton.

However, does Newtons 1st law apply to a satellite and if so, how?(u don't have to anwer the how).

Remember please keep it fairly simple.
 
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zemoth said:
Im an aussie in yr 10 pathway 1 physics, so I am no Newton.

However, does Newtons 1st law apply to a satellite and if so, how?(u don't have to anwer the how).

Remember please keep it fairly simple.

Newton's first law applies only to bodies which are either isolated,meaning the interaction with other bodies is absent/may be consiedered neglecteble,or it interaction with bodies,so that the the vector sum of all forces applied on the body by external bodies is nil.It's the case for the satellite,where are only 2 forces acting on the satellite:the centrifugal force and the (earth's attraction) gravitational force.Since the satellite rounds on a stabile orbit,you might say that it is equilibrium ans so,the first principle would apply.So the satellite would move around Earth on an stable velocity.Those satellites are called "geostationary",since their angular velocity is the same as earth's.

Daniel.
 
No, Newton's first law doesn't apply to satellites. The first law states that if the force applied over a body is null (or the sum of all forces applied are null) that body remains in rest or moving in straight line with constant speed.

In this case our satellite is orbiting, so there's a net force that keeps it moving that way. That's the gravity. It's a common misconception think in centrifugal force as a real force acting over the body. If it were a centrifugal force that canceled the effect of gravity, what prevents the satellite to keep moving in a straight line?

I hope my explanation is clear to you.
 
Evil_Kyo said:
No, Newton's first law doesn't apply to satellites. The first law states that if the force applied over a body is null (or the sum of all forces applied are null) that body remains in rest or moving in straight line with constant speed.

In this case our satellite is orbiting, so there's a net force that keeps it moving that way. That's the gravity. It's a common misconception think in centrifugal force as a real force acting over the body. If it were a centrifugal force that canceled the effect of gravity, what prevents the satellite to keep moving in a straight line?

I hope my explanation is clear to you.

My mistake,sorry.The centrifugal force is an inertial force (hence the name) and it appears only in the Earth's frame if reference.In the satellite's (which provides an inertial frame of reference) there are no inertial forces.The only one that acts is gravity.Silly me... I'm ashamed of myself...
 
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