Does Rope Position Affect Acceleration in Rotational Movement?

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The discussion centers on whether the position of a rope affixed to a rotating disk affects the acceleration of the disk during rotational movement. Participants explore the implications of different attachment points on the dynamics of the system, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of rotational motion.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if affixing the rope at point A is the same as at point B, noting that the radius of rotation differs in both cases.
  • Another participant prompts for reasons why the two attachment points might have the same or different effects on acceleration.
  • A participant discusses the moment of inertia relative to point O and calculates the radius of the circular path described by the disk's rotation, suggesting that the displacement depends on the radius.
  • One participant agrees with the previous claim, stating that while the moment of force is initially the same, it changes as the wheel turns due to differing distances from the rotation point.
  • A later reply indicates that affixing the rope at points A or B leads to different solutions when calculating acceleration, implying that the setup affects the outcome.
  • Another participant believes that the instantaneous acceleration is the same at the very first instant, but acknowledges that the geometry changes as the wheel rotates, affecting the moment-arm thereafter.
  • One participant clarifies a terminology point regarding the use of "corps" versus "body" in English, emphasizing the importance of precise language in physics discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the effects of the rope's position are the same at the initial moment versus after the wheel has started to turn. There is no consensus on the overall impact of the attachment points on acceleration, as some argue for equivalence at the start while others highlight the differences that arise with rotation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the initial conditions of the system and the definitions of terms used, which may affect interpretations of the problem. The mathematical steps involved in calculating acceleration are not fully resolved, leaving some ambiguity in the analysis.

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Students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those interested in rotational dynamics and problem-solving in mechanics, may find this discussion relevant.

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I refer to the figure:

Is it true that affixing the rope at the point A isn't the same of affixing it at the point B? (I consider the rotation movement around O since the disk is rolling, and so the radius of rotation is different in the two cases)
I'm sorry because my english is not very good, if something is not clear enough I'will give further explanations of the problem.
 

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What do you think? Why would they have the same effect? Why might they have different effects?
 
I thought so:


-the inertia moment respect the point O is [tex]I_o[/tex]

-The distance BO (that is the radius of the circumference that is drescribed by the motion of rotation of the disk around O) is [tex]\sqrt{2R(R+r)}[/tex]

The work of the inertial force of the equivalent mass is:[tex]I_o\alpha d \beta[/tex]. Converting the rotational values into the respective traslational ones we have [tex]\frac{I_o adx}{2R(R+r)}[/tex]
So it's not the same because the moment of the force is the same but the displacement depends on the radius.
 
So far you're entirely correct.
At the first instant (i.e. the instant at which this image applies) the two situations are identical---the moment of the force is the same for both locations. As soon as the wheel starts to turn, the distance will be different for the two points, and the moment of the force will be different (when the wheel is at a different angle).
 
Ultimately, if the request of a problem of this kind is: calculate the acceleration of each corps of the figure. Affixing the rope in A or B gives us a different solution!
 
It was a question! So am I right?
 
I think the instantaneous acceleration is the same.
After the first instance, however, the geometry will change and the moment-arm (the 'moment of the force') will be different for the two point (imagine that the wheel rotates just a tiny bit in either direction).
So I think it depends on if the question is asking about the very first instant, or in general.

English side note: 'body' can refer to basically any object or physical structure in general. 'Corps' refers specifically to a dead human-body.
 
Thanks for the english note too! :) However I posted the problem in the section "homework". The statement of the problem simply says: Calculate the acceleration of the bodies. I'd be glad if you could solve it in your free time..Anyway thanks a lot!
 

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