Does Special Relativity Affect Clock Synchronization on a Moving Spaceship?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of special relativity on clock synchronization aboard a moving spaceship. Participants explore how time readings differ between frames of reference, particularly when one frame is in motion relative to another. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarifications regarding simultaneity and the effects of relative motion on synchronized clocks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the clock at the stern of the spaceship will not read zero when the bow clock reads zero, suggesting the application of Lorentz transformations to determine the time reading.
  • Another participant agrees that clocks synchronized in one frame will not appear synchronized in another frame, emphasizing that simultaneity is frame dependent.
  • A different participant adds that from the perspective of the spaceship, all clocks will read zero when the bow clock passes the observer's clock, but the observer's clocks are not synchronized from the spaceship's viewpoint.
  • One participant elaborates on the synchronization process, explaining that a signal sent from the center of the spaceship to synchronize the clocks will reach the stern clock before the bow clock due to their relative motion, resulting in a time difference.
  • This participant provides a formula to calculate the elapsed time on the rear clock when the front clock reads zero, incorporating length contraction and time dilation effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the synchronization of clocks between frames. While some agree on the frame-dependent nature of simultaneity, there is no consensus on the specific time reading of the stern clock when the bow clock reads zero.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Lorentz transformations and the effects of relative motion on time readings, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in these transformations.

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My friend and I disagree on this problem:

A spaceship of proper length 200m moves with respect to
us at 0.6c. There are two clocks on the ship, at the bow and stern, that
have been synchronized with each other in their rest frame. We, also
have a number of clocks synchronized in our frame. Just as the bow
of the ship reaches us, both our clocks and the clock at the bow read
t = 0. At this time t = 0 (to us), what does the clock in the stern of the
ship read?

My friend claim that the time at the stern must be zero since clocks are synchronized. But I said no, I want to apply lorentz transformation and found a positive time. Which of us is right? I used this argument:

t=\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})
In which the prime denotes quantity in the spaceships's frame. I then set t=0 and x'=-200m and solved for t'.

I really think that I am right but don't know why he is wrong. Please help us settle this.
 
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You are correct. Clocks synchronized in one frame (that of the ship, for instance) will not be synchronized when observed from a frame in which they are moving. Another way of saying this is that simultaneity is frame dependent.
 
Let me add that according to the ship when its bow clock passes your clock all of the ship clocks will read zero. But to them your clocks are not synchronized. (Clock desynchronization works both ways.)
 
E92M3 said:
I used this argument:

t=\gamma (t'+\frac{ux'}{c^2})
In which the prime denotes quantity in the spaceships's frame. I then set t=0 and x'=-200m and solved for t'.

I really think that I am right but don't know why he is wrong. Please help us settle this.

Think of it like this. Say a sychronising flash at the centre of the spaceship triggers the clocks fore and aft to start ticking. The rear going start signal gets to the back first (from the point of view of the ground observers) because the rear of the ship and the signal are heading towards each other, so the rear clock starts ticking first. In the meantime the forward going signal is catching up with the front of the spaceship which is going away from it. By the time the forwards going signal reaches the front and starts the front clock the rear clock will already have:

T = \frac{L_o v}{c^2} seconds elapsed on it, where L_o is the proper length of the spaceship. In your example the rear clock will show 200*0.6/1^2 = 120 seconds in the ground frame, when the front clock is reading zero.

This fairly simple formula takes length contraction and time dilation into account and can be obtained from rearranging the transformation you quoted and using a displacement of -200m for x. This negative displacement comes about because the origin of the moving frame is the nose of the ship and the displacement of the rear of the ship from the origin is in the opposite direction to the velocity vector which is taken as positive. I hope that makes some sort of sense :P
 

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