Does switch's Utilization Category AC-15 include a desktop?

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of using an industrial limit switch to control power to a desktop PC, particularly in relation to the switch's AC-15 utilization category. Participants explore the implications of this rating for electromagnetic loads and the challenges of using limit switches in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the AC-15 rating, which is typically much lower than the switch's rated capacity, applies to desktop PCs, suggesting that PCs may not have significant transformers.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the use of limit switches for controlling a computer, indicating that limit switches are generally used for motors and mechanical items.
  • There is a suggestion that relays are more appropriate for higher power applications than limit switches, raising doubts about the rationale for using a limit switch for a desktop PC.
  • A participant mentions the need to rule out relays since the switch will serve as a mains isolation switch, indicating that there will be no power available to drive a solenoid.
  • Concerns are raised about inrush current from the switch mode power supply (SMPS) and its impact on the limit switch, with a participant noting symptoms of significant inrush when plugging in devices.
  • One participant asks for clarification on the purpose of the isolation switch, suggesting that alternate solutions may exist if the intent is better understood.
  • A participant shares a detailed plan for a steampunk-style PC build, describing the desired functionality of the lever switch as an isolator and outlining potential fallback options involving different types of switches.
  • Another participant proposes using mains voltage rated relays that could be driven by a limit switch or microswitch, suggesting this as a more feasible solution without needing additional voltages.
  • There is a discussion about using a microwave oven door switch as a potential solution, highlighting its design for handling large currents and the importance of selecting the correct type of switch.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the appropriateness of limit switches for controlling desktop PCs, with no consensus reached on whether the AC-15 rating includes desktop applications. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to achieve the desired isolation functionality.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear applicability of AC-15 ratings to desktop PCs, the potential for significant inrush current affecting switch performance, and the specific requirements for isolation in the proposed PC build.

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For reasons beyond understanding, I'm trying to source an industrial limit switch to control the power to a desktop PC. It's run on a switch mode standard computer PSU.

Most of the limit switches I've looked at are rated 5 amps @ 220 VAC. But they also have an AC-15 rating usually much, much lower, perhaps as low as 0.2 amps. I think that AC-15 applies to electromagnetic loads. Does this include PCs? They don't have much in the way of transformers...

Otherwise, how can I use a limit switch for controlling my PC?
 
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Limit Switch ??

limit switches are used for controlling a motor and other mechanical items connected to it

you have better more clearly explain your use of the term Limit Switch

Dave
 
Something like (but not limited to) one of these:-
limit-switch.jpg
 
Relays are used for higher power applications of limit switches.
Why you'd use one for a computer boggles the mind..
 
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billy_joule said:
power applications of limit switches

The nub of the question. Does power category AC-15 include a desktop PC?
 
I have to rule out relays as this switch will form the mains isolation switch, so there's no power to drive a solenoid... :frown:
 
some guidancehttp://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/electricalratings.pdf

Inductive load stresses the contact on opening. The arc is difficult to extinguish.
Capacitive load stresses the contact on closing. Huge inrush current flows while the contact is still bouncing..
Paul Uszak said:
They don't have much in the way of transformers...
The SMPS has huge capacitors. Some limit inrush current , some don't.

Do you hear a "pop" when you plug it into an outlet ? Do touch-lamps switch off ? That's symptoms of big inrush.
 
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? We might have some alternate suggestions for you to try if we knew why you needed to isolate the power.

BoB
 
jim hardy said:

Thanks Jim, just read this. Looks like I'd be better off using a relay somewhere. This means I'll have to rethink my isolation layout.

Thought: Why then do domestic socket switches not have usage categories? In the UK, they're all rated 13 amps. Doesn't matter if you're switching a welding machine, most powerful vacuum cleaner in the world or fairy lights.
 
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I'm building a pc in the Steampunk style. It will have a large lever on the side to turn it on, based on :-

indexd.jpg


There will be two power supplies and other mains equipment inside the computer case, so I'd like an isolation switch upstream of all of this. It would be really cool if the lever switch actually worked for real as the isolator. Just like in those mad scientist films. The limit switch would be the switch operated by the lever's shaft. As it's the isolator, there's no other power available for relays, mosfets etc.

My plan B is to connect the lever at it's fulcrum to an industrial 16 or 20 amp rotary switch such as:-

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If I can't reliably attach the lever to this switch, I'll have to fall back to plan C and go with a normal toggle switch isolator,, and a relay /limit switch combo to get the lever operational somewhat. This is the least preferred option.
 
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They do make relays that are mains voltage rated coils. You could drive one of those with the limit switch or a microswitch which are generally much cheaper.
http://download.siliconexpert.com/pdfs/2012/2/4/13/2/21/73/hnw_/manual/v7-2b17d8-207.pdf

Then you don't need any extra voltages.

The microswitch type snap action switches come in many different lever styles.

Another option is to arrange for your steampunk lever to flip a standard light switch internally.

BoB
 
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rbelli1 said:
Another option is to arrange for your steampunk lever to flip a standard light switch internally.
not a bad idea. Cheap and easily replaced.

Microwave ovens have an interesting switch in their door interlock system. Usually it's the middle one.
Two of the microswitches close when the door is closed. They allow current to the relay that powers the big magnetron.

A third switch, usually a different color, closes whenever the door is NOT fully closed.
That one is connected directly across power to the magnetron supply.
That's so that should the other two switches somehow let the magnetron get power with door not fully closed,
maybe because the door is warped or a relay has stuck shut and somebody opens the door, ,
it'll blow the power fuse to protect the folks nearby. .
So that different switch is built to take a large gulp of current.

Doubtless you'll scrounge around junkpiles for switches.
If you pillage a microwave oven door switch be sure to get that fuse-blowing one, not one of the little guys for they only switch relays ..
The numbers on the switch should lead you to its ratings
http://sensing.honeywell.com/honeywell-sensing-micro-switch-v7-basic-product-sheet-004987-1-en.pdf

I like steam and understand completely. . Good luck. Be careful
 
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