Does the average person run on 96.85 watts?

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The discussion revolves around the energy consumption of an average person, specifically whether an average person runs on approximately 96.85 watts based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Participants explore the implications of human efficiency, energy expenditure during various activities, and the conversion of dietary calories into usable energy.

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  • One participant calculates that a person on a 2,000 calorie diet would run on about 96.85 watts, converting calories to joules and dividing by seconds in a day.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while the calculation is reasonable, human efficiency is not 100%, suggesting that the actual energy used may be less.
  • Some participants mention that typical energy consumption figures vary, with one citing 70 watts as typical for HVAC applications.
  • Discussion includes the idea that human efficiency can be as low as 5% in certain activities, with a maximum of 20% during bicycling.
  • Participants debate the concept of efficiency, with some arguing that the body's primary energy use is for maintaining temperature, while others assert that nearly all energy expended ultimately becomes heat.
  • One participant introduces the Stefan-Boltzmann law as a method to calculate energy loss through radiation, suggesting it could provide additional insights.
  • There are comments on the energy expenditure during high-intensity activities, such as sprinting or climbing stairs, which can exceed 1,000 watts.
  • Several participants share personal anecdotes about their exercise preferences and the energy they expend during different activities, highlighting varying views on exercise enjoyment and efficiency.

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Participants express a range of views on the efficiency of human energy use and the calculations presented. There is no consensus on the exact energy figures or the implications of efficiency, with multiple competing perspectives remaining throughout the discussion.

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Participants mention various assumptions regarding human efficiency and energy expenditure, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or defined, leaving some points unresolved.

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I tried to figure out how many watts a person runs on who eats a 2,000 calorie diet.

First, dietary calories are really kilocalories, so someone eating a 2,000 calorie diet is really eating 2,000,000 calories.

1 calorie is 4.184 joules, so multiply 2 million by 4.184 and you get 8,368,000 joules.

Divide that by seconds in a day, 86,400, and you get 96.85.

Is that right? Does the average person run on 96.85 watts?
 
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Well people aren't 100% efficient... but yah that's about right.

Pretty amazing to think that we use as much energy as a lightbulb or two... but a lightbulb is nothing to what your average house runs on. It's like, 10-40 people would have to be eating food and working 24/7 to produce the energy a household needs. Our house uses like 2-4kwh/h... wait... how does that work. 2 kilowatt-hours/hour... yah that makes sense...
 
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Yeah, that doesn't include what you pee and poop out, but you're in the right order of magnitude. 70w is typical for the HVAC industry, barring more specific info about what they are doing (ie, a weight room).
 
It is still worse. The maximum human efficiency is 20% during bicycling and generally as low as 5%.
 
quark said:
It is still worse. The maximum human efficiency is 20% during bicycling and generally as low as 5%.

Efficiency in what terms? In terms of motive energy?

Keep in mind the body's primary use of energy is to maintain temperature. Unlike an internal combustion engine, the heat is not simply waste -- it's essential to the survival of proteins and enzymes necessary for human life.

- Warren
 
Besides - in the sense we're talking about (generating heat), humans are near 100% efficient. The energy that doesn't go toward building new cells (thus, absorbed as chemical energy) all becomes heat.
 
I think there's another way: use Stefan-Boltzmann law:

q=\sigma(T_{body}^4-T_{room}^4)A_{body}

That's a lose by radiation (which is not negligible at all under standard room conditions). Try to plug in numbers, I remember it works.
 
If you are running up a flight of stairs or something, you could be using more than 1000 watts, if you are sprinting that is...
 
moose said:
If you are running up a flight of stairs or something, you could be using more than 1000 watts, if you are sprinting that is...

Yeah, and go ahead and figure out how many flights you have to run to use up just one can of Pepsi! (I was astonished anyway!)

-Dan
 
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I can't understand why anyone would want to run up stairs to get exercise. I can't even think of a less enjoyable place to exercise than a dank, confined indoor stairwell. I can burn off a can of Pepsi in 3 miles on my bike -- three very enjoyable miles surrounded by nature and fresh air -- in nine minutes.

Big deal.

- Warren
 
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For running 3 miles in 9 minutes the path must be facing downwards all the time. When I was in Spain, 17-18 years old (my best moment of shape), I used to run 10 km in 15 minutes in a open-air closed road circuit with my road bicycle. :-p
 
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What? I'm not talking about running, I'm talking about bicycling. And 3 miles in 9 minutes is 20 miles an hour, which is my normal cruising speed on flats. My fastest recorded flat sprint is about 32 mph for about five minutes.

- Warren
 
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chroot said:
I can't understand why anyone would want to run up stairs to get exercise. ... I can burn off a can of Pepsi in 3 miles on my bike -- three very enjoyable miles surrounded by nature and fresh air -- in nine minutes.
- Warren

Burning calories surrounded by nature sounds very appealing! Yet I do understand why folks want to run up stairs.. It builds up some different muscles, especially those that come in handy for hiking mountain trails and surface swim with scuba gear.. It is also an intense workout to build stamina. Though I would save it for the colder months or bad weather. We run hills in fresh air, during nice weather for the same effect. :-p
 
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chroot said:
I can't understand why anyone would want to run up stairs to get exercise. I can't even think of a less enjoyable place to exercise than a dank, confined indoor stairwell. I can burn off a can of Pepsi in 3 miles on my bike -- three very enjoyable miles surrounded by nature and fresh air -- in nine minutes.

Big deal.

- Warren
Clearly, you did not wrestle in high school. "Enjoyment" has nothing to do with why you run a stairwell (though usually "punishment" did...).
 
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chroot said:
Efficiency in what terms? In terms of motive energy?


- Warren

That is what I meant. If we difine the efficiency as useful energy/energy input, the human actions have a maximum efficiency of 20%. The metabolic activities consume much less energy, for example, human heart consumes about 5 Watt/min.

Including human body, inefficiency of any machine finally leads to heat whether it is required or not. If all the heat generated by the body is required to maintain the temperature, there won't be any perspiration, perhaps.
 
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quark said:
That is what I meant. If we difine the efficiency as useful energy/energy input, the human actions have a maximum efficiency of 20%. The metabolic activities consume much less energy, for example, human heart consumes about 5 Watt/min.

I don't know what a Watt per minute is.

Besides, like I said, the efficiency of muscle is much higher than 20%, even though the entire human body has to keep itself warm to function, and thus uses a lot of energy to maintain temperature.

If all the heat generated by the body is required to maintain the temperature, there won't be any perspiration, perhaps.

Except when you're burning a thousand calories an hour on a bike. Even if your muscles are 90% efficient, you're still dissipating as much heat from muscle contractions as you do while sleeping.

- Warren
 
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ah.. that is a blunder. Please read it as Joules/min. For other things, I should better refrain myself from commenting.

Thanks for your views.
 

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