Does the color of a hot body depend on its composition ?

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The discussion revolves around whether the color of a hot body is influenced by its material composition, specifically at a temperature of approximately 550 degrees Celsius. Participants explore the relationship between material properties and emitted color, touching on concepts such as emissivity, reflectivity, and thermochromism.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if materials like steel, stainless steel, titanium, and copper will all appear red at 550 degrees Celsius, suggesting a need for clarification on the term "material."
  • Another participant notes that atoms have characteristic emission spectra based on their electronic structure, implying that while the blackbody spectrum is common, the emitted colors of different metals may not differ significantly at high temperatures.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the apparent color of a hot body could affect its emitted spectrum, positing that if a body appears green, it might absorb red and blue light while reflecting green, potentially altering its radiated color.
  • One participant introduces the concept of thermochromic materials, which change color with temperature, indicating that this phenomenon may not align with the initial question about typical metals.
  • Another participant recalls practical applications of color changes in heated metals, particularly in tool steel, as indicators of temperature during processes like hardening and tempering.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of material composition on color at high temperatures, with no consensus reached on the extent of this effect or the relevance of thermochromic materials.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of terms like "material" and "color," as well as the specific conditions under which the discussed phenomena occur.

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Hi
Does the color of a hot body depend on its material composition ? For eg. will bodies made of steel, Stainless steel, Ti, Cu etc. all look red in color if the temperature is ~ 550 deg C ?

TIA
 
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"material" is quite broad.

In general, "sort of".
Atoms have a characteristic spectrum with dominant lines.
It depends on their electronic structure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum

The blackbody spectrum occurs under specific conditions.
But those conditions are pretty common.
http://outreach.atnf.csiro.au/education/senior/astrophysics/spectroscopyhow.html

Your examples are not going to be all that different at that temp though - heat them up and see. Metals share their outer electrons across the whole solid as a kind of big tub of charge so they all have very similar spectra under heating. Also heavy elements have more options to emmit from, allowing thermal emmissions ot spread over a wider range of wavelengths.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/analysis/fires/metcolor.htm
Compare the emmission spectrum of H with Fe in the wikipedia article.

You normally bring out the characteristic colors by EM "pumping" as in florescent lights ... hydrogen is pink, sodium is orange, and mercury is blue-grey.

The bottom line is that you can use the color to work out the temperature.
 
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If you can get a body hot enough to radiate significantly at optical frequencies then I think its reflectivity of different frequencies (it's apparent colour) could have an effect on the spectrum of radiation it emits (i.e. radiated colour). After all, emissivity and absorptivity go together, so if the body 'looks green' it will be absorbing reds and blues and reflecting greens. So, if the body were at a 'white hot' temperature reds and blues would then be radiated better than green (making it 'glow' magenta more than white). HOWEVER, at that temperature, the energy levels in the surface molecules would be much modified and their interaction with different frequencies of em would probably be changed. So what I say may not apply at all.
 
bksree said:
Hi
Does the color of a hot body depend on its material composition ? For eg. will bodies made of steel, Stainless steel, Ti, Cu etc. all look red in color if the temperature is ~ 550 deg C ?

TIA

It's probably not what you are thinking of, but there are thermochromic materials that show a wide variation in color with temperature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermochromism

Aside from that, if the refractive index (and thus the emissivity) varies with temperature, the color of an object will also change with temperature.
 
Andy Resnick said:
It's probably not what you are thinking of, but there are thermochromic materials that show a wide variation in color with temperature.

Got the T shirt! Way back.

Actually, there is mention of heating metals, earlier. The change in surface (reflective) colour of metals (tool steel in particular) when you heat them is a great indication of their temperature and is often used when hardening and tempering etc. but that's at lower than 'red heat'.
 

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