Does the inverse square rule work with a magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of magnetic fields, particularly in relation to the inverse square law (ISL) and its applicability to mini magnetospheres. Participants explore how to calculate the intensity of magnetic fields at varying distances from sources, the complexities involved in real magnetic field calculations, and the theoretical frameworks that describe these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the intensity of a magnetic field at a distance given its intensity at the source, specifically in the context of mini magnetospheres.
  • Another participant states that while an elemental current element produces a magnetic field that follows the inverse square law, real magnetic fields from concatenated current elements do not adhere to this law, instead exhibiting an inverse cube dependence, particularly for dipole fields.
  • It is noted that the strength of a magnetic field is not solely a function of distance but also depends on direction, complicating calculations.
  • A participant references the leading-order multipole expansion, indicating that the dipole field behaves as ##1/r^3## for large distances.
  • Links to external resources such as the Biot–Savart law and Gauss's law for magnetism are provided as potentially useful starting points for understanding the topic.
  • Some participants discuss integrating the motion of a particle in the gravitational field of a dipole, suggesting the use of Lagrangian transformation and providing a Hamiltonian formulation for the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the inverse square law to magnetic fields, with some asserting it does not hold for real sources, while others explore related mathematical formulations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculating magnetic field intensity and the implications of dipole behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of calculating magnetic field strengths from real sources, indicating that many rely on measurements rather than calculations. There is also mention of angular dependence and the limitations of simple equations in describing magnetic field behavior.

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I am interested in mini magnetospheres. How do i calculate the intensity of the field at a certain distance if i already know theits intensity at the source?
 
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An elemental current element produces a magnetic field that obeys the inverse square law. However real magnetic fields produced by a concatenation current elements or modeled as such result in fields that do not obey the ISL. In fact magnetic fields are produced by dipoles which have an inverse cube dependence for example a current in a loop of wire. These dipole fields also have an angular dependence with respect to the axis of symmetry of the dipole. For extensive sources the dependences can be more complex.
 
gleem said:
An elemental current element

What is an elemental current element?

TheAnt said:
I am interested in mini magnetospheres. How do i calculate the intensity of the field at a certain distance if i already know theits intensity at the source?

Calculating the strength of a magnetic field from a real source is not trivial. Many people simply end up measuring it instead of calculating it. As gleem said, the strength of the field is not simply a function of distance, but also of direction (strength at distance R from a pole is different than at distance R from the side). So there's not really a simple equation that will tell you the strength at a particular distance.
 
The leading-order multipole expansion of the magnetic field is the dipole field which goes like ##1/r^3## for ##r \rightarrow \infty##.
 
Thank you very much for the answers
 
by the way it is a good task to integrate the problem of planar motion of a particle in the gravity field of the dipole and describe the motion of the particle
 
wrobel said:
by the way it is a good task to integrate the problem of planar motion of a particle in the gravity field of the dipole and describe the motion of the particle
totally agree...use the lagrangian transformation
 
did not understand your suggestion
 
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Actually this problem is integrated as follows. In suitable polar coordinates the Hamiltonian is
$$H=\frac{1}{2m}\Big(p^2_r+\frac{p^2_\varphi}{r^2}\Big)+\frac{k\cos\varphi}{r^2}.$$
It is easy to see that the variables are separated:
$$H=\frac{p^2_r}{2m}+\frac{1}{2r^2}F;$$
here ##F=p^2_\varphi/m+2k\cos\varphi## is a first integral: ##\{F,H\}=0##
 
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wrobel said:
Actually this problem is integrated as follows. In suitable polar coordinates the Hamiltonian is
$$H=\frac{1}{2m}\Big(p^2_r+\frac{p^2_\varphi}{r^2}\Big)+\frac{k\cos\varphi}{r^2}.$$
It is easy to see that the variables are separated:
$$H=\frac{p^2_r}{2m}+\frac{1}{2r^2}F;$$
here ##F=p^2_\varphi/m+2k\cos\varphi## is a first integral: ##\{F,H\}=0##

Hamiltonian...of course...sorry
 

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