PeterDonis said:
Really? There are hard boundaries around the atoms that delimit them from "empty space"? And the photons never cross those boundaries? See further comments below.
I never said anything of this sort. When I say "atomic spacing", I'm referring to this:
Wikipedia said:
Atomic spacing refers to the distance between the
nuclei of
atoms in a material.
PeterDonis said:
In fact, although it's a common model, it's not actually correct.
I've made no allusions to the Bohr model (which I believe is what you think I'm talking about) where electrons are moving in fixed circular orbits (occupying an orbit based on their energy level) around the nucleus. I'm well aware that the exact size of an atom is ill-defined (we can always use bond / Waan der Waal radii to obtain a working value, but I think that's about it).
PeterDonis said:
The interactions you are talking about here are the absorption and emission of photons by atoms in the medium.
Somewhat. IIRC, ZapperZ had an FAQ in which he states that in any medium the interactions between atoms/ions of the medium result in some sort of broadening of energy levels and a "collective" behavior, so I don't think we have the simple case of photons being absorbed by the electrons of individual atoms and then being re-emitted after a slight delay. I can't find that FAQ, but here's an old thread at PF which quotes it:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/faq-do-photons-move-slower-in-a-solid-medium.243463/ .
PeterDonis said:
These interactions do not "delay" one photon; they destroy one photon (when it's absorbed) and create a second photon (when it's emitted).
This is what I mean when I say "A photon is always moving through empty space or interacting with other particles." When I say "interacting with other particles", I mean the destruction of a photon and the creation of another (after a brief interval of time). Put another way, my statement reads "if a photon is not being created or destroyed, it's propagating through space at an invariant speed ##c## m/s ." (Btw, I know that a photon moves at ##c## right after creation and that there is no "acceleration period" so as to say) I can't see what's wrong with this statement.
PeterDonis said:
the electrons aren't all sitting on the boundary
Yes, I know they aren't, because there is a non-zero probability of finding the electron anywhere in the space around the nucleus. (A probability given by the square of the wavefunction of the electron.)
PeterDonis said:
we will find that the concept of the "speed" of the photon between interactions isn't even well-defined
I wanted to minimize quantum mechanical references here in the relativity subforum, but I guess I should have used the term expectation velocity, right?
PeterDonis said:
It is true that, in this somewhat more accurate model, the photons move at cc between interactions.
But we work with a model until we find a more accurate one which can take its place. I don't think we have that kind of replacement yet.