Don't complain if you didn't vote

[Pengwuino]

Man I am going to slap my friend. He asks me "is proposition 73 passing" and I go "looks like its the only one that is clearly going to pass" and he goes "damn it all". THen i ask "Did you vote?" and he goes "no way, **** that".

What is with these people!

 

[Smurf]

I havn't been legally allowed to vote yet. I'll complain all I ****ing want, thank you.

 

[Pengwuino]

I havn't been legally allowed to vote yet. I'll complain all I ****ing want, thank you.

I thought you were 18. That's not hte point though. He can vote and he had time to vote and he didn't and he complains. He's a stupid smurf, just like you :P

And it looks like 73 is going to be neck and neck to the end of the voting.

 

[Math Is Hard]

I voted! Barely made it to the polls after work, but I got there and did my thing! Slap your friend with a frozen salmon.

 

[Pengwuino]

I voted! Barely made it to the polls after work, but I got there and did my thing! Slap your friend with a frozen salmon.

And the hilarious part is that it looks like its going to come down to a few voters if the counts keep jumping back and forth like this.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Never rely on the kindness of strangers.

I have to admit to a time without voting in order to protect my business. The state wouldn't give me an excuse from jury duty in advance, and I couldn't take a chance of losing my business because they decide to make me show up for several weeks at a critical time. Since the voter registration lists were used to compile the jury list it allowed for a dodge. But now they use drivers licenses and they did call, but I was excused, thank God!

I passed on several elections and felt like complete scum.

 

[Pengwuino]

Why don't you vote absentee.

Everyone should vote absentee, you get to vote before all the BS really starts going crazy with the tv ads and all.

 

[franznietzsche]

Man I am going to slap my friend. He asks me "is proposition 73 passing" and I go "looks like its the only one that is clearly going to pass" and he goes "damn it all". THen i ask "Did you vote?" and he goes "no way, **** that".
What is with these people!

Are any prelim results posted yet? Important stuff for us Californians.

And **** if 73 and only 73 passes. This state is doomed.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Man I am going to slap my friend. He asks me "is proposition 73 passing" and I go "looks like its the only one that is clearly going to pass" and he goes "damn it all". THen i ask "Did you vote?" and he goes "no way, **** that".
What is with these people!

On this rare occasion I must agree with Pengwuino: if you're going to complain, you ought to have voted.

 

[Smurf]

I thought you were 18.

I turned 18 in August. There hasn't been an Election yet.

 

[Pengwuino]

Are any prelim results posted yet? Important stuff for us Californians.

ELECTION RESULTS - NOVEMBER 8, 2005
PROPOSITION 73- JUVENILE ABORTIONS
YES: 50%
NO: 51%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 74- TEACHER TENURE
YES: 48%
NO: 52%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 75- UNION DUES
YES: 51%
NO: 49%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 76- STATE SPENDING
YES: 41%
NO: 59%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 77- REDISTRICTING
YES: 44%
NO: 56%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 78- DRUG DISCOUNT PROGRAM
YES: 42%
NO: 58%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 79- PRESCRIPTION DRUG REBATES
YES: 39%
NO: 61%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

PROPOSITION 80- ELECTRIC SERVICE PROVIDERS
YES: 35%
NO: 65%
PRECINCTS REPORTING: 37%

I'm really amazed 78 and 79 got shot down so roughly. There wasn't that many negative ads about it and hell, even i voted for 78... but man it is getting torn up. 73 and 74 have been going back and forth all evening.

 

[Smurf]

so what is Proposition 73 then?

edit: oh.

 

[franznietzsche]

Well Union dues would be good to pass, but 77 is the key one that needs to pass badly. Crap. Crap crap crap.

 

[Pengwuino]

Proposition 73:

http://www.voterguide.ss.ca.gov/prop73/title_summary.shtml

 

[Smurf]

so what's your friend's issue with it? doesn't look too bad.

 

[franznietzsche]

This is just not good. The state is doomed. Right back to a democratic party dictatorship in a few years. Crap crap crap.

 

[Pengwuino]

so what's your friend's issue with it? doesn't look too bad.

Oh well he tricked me. Turns out he is for it but if it turns back to a no vote, he would complain. The reason is... oh my god. His ex-gf got an abortion and she's all nuts for it and wants it to not pass and he just wants to spite her and have it pass.

What are we complaining about voter fraud for when the biggest compromise of our elections is stupidity like this haha

 

[Pengwuino]

This is just not good. The state is doomed. Right back to a democratic party dictatorship in a few years. Crap crap crap.

Well the republicans practically asked to get their asses handed to them. I mean did they even want 77 to pass? I don't even remember seeing a pro-77 ad.

 

[Smurf]

What are we complaining about voter fraud for when the biggest compromise of our elections is stupidity like this haha

That's why I don't care about voter fraud. If you had a system where people weren't completely dumbed down it would automatically work better because there might actually be *gasp* accountability.

Not that democracy has a snowball's chance in hell of satisfying my criteria of "working" anyways.

 

[Pengwuino]

With only 40% in... these people seem to be making some premature calls. I mean like 4 of them are either 1 or 2% off...

 

[franznietzsche]

Well the republicans practically asked to get their asses handed to them. I mean did they even want 77 to pass? I don't even remember seeing a pro-77 ad.

The problem is therw is so little money behind these initiatives. They are essentially the personal initiatives of Arnold and a few congressmen. There is no major party presence behind the initiatives. Their only major media outlet was KFI (which is albeit the #1 radio station in the nation, and they had John and Ken on the #1 most listened to radio hour). But the fact of the matter was that the democratic party and other liberal organizations were easily able to outspend them by 10 to 1.

77 is important because the legislators in this state do not have to compete for their seats. Only a few seats ever change party hands, the districts were manipulated by the legislature to give the democrats (and republicans as well) artificial, permanently safe districts, in effect making individual legislators rulers for life. Its pure dictatorship.

 

[Smurf]

I think I've seen... two... political ads my entire life.

Oh wait.. three including the one I heard on the radio during my stay in Hawaii.

 

[Pengwuino]

Yah i mean... hell I personally could have put more ads up for 77 then the republican party did. This one radio dude did bring up a really good point that seems very applicable right now. If people are not informed, they will vote no. 78,79, and 80 had sooooooooooo little backing or opposition in the media so it seems like they naturally got shot down.

 

[Pengwuino]

I think I've seen... two... political ads my entire life.
Oh wait.. three including the one I heard on the radio during my stay in Hawaii.

I see about 3x as many ads every commercial break then you've seen in your entire life i guess

 

[franznietzsche]

Yah i mean... hell I personally could have put more ads up for 77 then the republican party did. This one radio dude did bring up a really good point that seems very applicable right now. If people are not informed, they will vote no. 78,79, and 80 had sooooooooooo little backing or opposition in the media so it seems like they naturally got shot down.

75, 76, and 77 were the critical ones meant to break the democratic party dictatorship permanently, and force competitive democracy back into the government. I am so moving the hell out of here once I'm done with school. Sucks too, I love living in california.

 

[Pengwuino]

heh, you hear about that republican who won the mayoral race in san diego. Has to deal with a $1.7 billion pension defecit or something like that...

 

[mattmns]

I think I've seen... two... political ads my entire life.
Oh wait.. three including the one I heard on the radio during my stay in Hawaii.

Here in the US, during presidential elections, you will probably see 3 political commercials per commercial break!

 

[Pengwuino]

Here in the US, during presidential elections, you will probably see 3 political commercials per commercial break!

I remember seeing 7 in one break. I mean damn it, i didn't even know they shove 7 commercials down our throat in the first place.

 

[Smurf]

Oh! And I got a phonecall from the liberals the day before the provincial elections. They asked me if they could "count on my support in the polls tomorrow".


I laughed at them. Then hung up.

 

[Pengwuino]

Oh! And I got a phonecall from the liberals the day before the provincial elections. They asked me if they could "count on my support in the polls tomorrow".
I laughed at them. Then hung up.

You mean they actually ask you a question?

You pick up the phone here... "hello?" "...*click*... *weird bump sound*... this is a message from the *enter dumb group*, we want you to vote no to *some proposition or candidate*"

 

[Smurf]

Yeah... I got a real person too. It's much more satisfying when you get a person who's used to everyone being polite and stutters because he doesn't know what to say when you laugh in his face (or ear peice).

 

[franznietzsche]

heh, you hear about that republican who won the mayoral race in san diego. Has to deal with a $1.7 billion pension defecit or something like that...

I think they've gone through 3 mayors since the summer. Mayor O' The Week. Sucks too, that's the way the whole state is, from the People's Republic of Santa Cruz (where they took money for road and infrastructure repairs and spent it on public BICYCLE transportation, bikes that promptly disappeared into the hands of thieves.) to the Democratic Republic of Los Angeles. Not to mention the treasonous state legislators that serve Mexican interests more than californian ones.

 

[Pengwuino]

public bicycle transportation...

So they trust that no criminal will steal the bikes... but we can't be trusted with firearms?

 

[Smurf]

bikes are a lot less dangerous than firearms Pengwuino...

 

[Pengwuino]

bikes are a lot less dangerous than firearms Pengwuino...

You just don't understand...

Go back to your hump rock

 

[franznietzsche]

public bicycle transportation...

So they trust that no criminal will steal the bikes... but we can't be trusted with firearms?

That's California Democrats for you.

They also consider citizens of Mexico more important as constituents than their actual constituents. Take Loretta Brixey, who changed her name to Loretta Sanchez to make her seem like "una de La Raza" to racist immigrant groups.

 

[franznietzsche]

bikes are a lot less dangerous than firearms Pengwuino...

yeah but the bikes were all stolen within a week.

 

[Pengwuino]

Well, everything has failed. And I mean everything. Liberal issues failed, conservative issues failed, pro-arnold issues failed, pro-environment issues failed, health care issues failed.

I wonder how many people actually voted.

 

[bomba923]

Hmm... all this and no commentary on Prop 74 !

Only 17 and I can't vote. If I could, I'd vote for any reasonable measure to improve the quality of California public school teachers.
Indeed, raising teacher's salaries will not introduce academic rigor and responsibility into the classroom.

And thus, I pity the administration when the certain teachers-----who do not really teach at all, inflate grades, and don't even ask their students to think-----walk out with others on strike. Those teachers don't deserve a raise; or even teach at a HS level.

 

[moose]

-"Stupid voters, howcome so little people are voting for what's obviously right?"

"Did you vote"

-"no"

"stfu then"I hope my state doesn't turn liberal anytime soon O.O

 

[moose]

bikes are a lot less dangerous than firearms Pengwuino...

*tries extremely hard to not reply*


Ehh, sure they are more dangerous as in... if a criminal has a firearm... which most do. The problem is not when a good citizen has a firearm, which in California they don't.

Hmmmm

 

[tribdog]

what sucks is I've been a Republican all my life, but I help the homeless, I'm pro choice. I keep getting more and more liberal in my way of thinking but Democrats are just such pussies it drives me nuts
I don't own a gun, but Id never want to take away people's guns I'm for the right to own a gun hell I'm for the right to shoot people that piss me off. america had what something like 10000 murders last year and England had 8? there is a connection

 

[AngelShare]

I'm not 18 yet but I agree, if you don't vote, don't complain. My teacher was talking about that and I still remember him saying such a thing to this day...I was in fourth grade when our teacher began talking about voting and he said his one friend was complaining about the President. When asked if he voted for the other candidate, his friend said no so he just told him to shut up. He felt that you only have the right to complain if you vote, otherwise you're just a lazy moron who didn't care enough to. *Shrugs*

 

[tribdog]

the crazy thing is, this is America, you can speak up whether you voted or not. You can complain if you voted for that candidate or not. You can complain even if what you complain about is your fault

 

[Smurf]

I agree with Tribdog. There's nothing wrong with not voting, and there's nothing wrong with complaining about the system. No matter what.

 

[Pengwuino]

I say there is, one can't demand change and then refuse to make that change happen and complain in the end. I guess people deserve it when they get pushed around and have their rights taken away then, you don't speak up, things happen.

 

[tribdog]

first time in my life someone agrees with me and it has to be Smurf.

 

[Smurf]

I say there is, one can't demand change and then refuse to make that change happen and complain in the end. I guess people deserve it when they get pushed around and have their rights taken away then, you don't speak up, things happen.

Okay here's smurf to point out the obvious, once again:

He was speaking up. Then the professor told him to shut up.

 

[tribdog]

this got his anger up. So he got up. picked his books up. flipped his finger up.
now he's going down

 

[AngelShare]

the crazy thing is, this is America, you can speak up whether you voted or not. You can complain if you voted for that candidate or not. You can complain even if what you complain about is your fault

Yeah, it's quite obvious that anybody can complain. The difference is, some make fools of themselves when doing it. The crazy thing is, this is America, we have rights other countries don't and yet some people can't be "bothered" to vote? Too busy? Too hard for them? Or just too lazy?