Double derivative definition question

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The discussion revolves around the notation and definition of the second derivative in calculus, specifically why it is represented as \(\frac{\mathrm{d^2f}}{\mathrm{d} x^2}\) instead of a different form. The original poster attempts to understand this notation through the lens of the first derivative's definition.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the first and second derivatives, questioning the notation used and the reasoning behind it. Some express confusion about the original poster's attempt to "build" the second derivative from the first.

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The conversation includes various perspectives on the notation, with some participants emphasizing that it is primarily a matter of notation rather than a derivation. There is an ongoing exploration of how the notation can be interpreted, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's approach.

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Participants note that the terminology used may differ, with a distinction made between "double" and "second" derivative. There is also mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the meaning of the notation involved.

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a derivative of function is marked as
[tex] \frac{\mathrm{df} }{\mathrm{d} x}[/tex]
why the double derivative is marked as
[tex] \frac{\mathrm{d^2f} }{\mathrm{d} x^2}[/tex]

i tried to build it using the original definition
[tex] \frac{d\frac{\mathrm{df} }{\mathrm{dx}} }{dx}[/tex]
its not working
??
 
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It's a silly question, and is more due to notation than to a derivation. If you wanted to do a derivation, however, it would go along the lines of:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \frac{d}{dx} f = \left(\frac{d}{dx}\right)^2 f = \frac{d^2}{(dx)^2}f[/tex] and we omit the parentheses from the denominator.
 
You are only asking about the notation? It's just notation. I don't know what you mean by trying to "build it". (And in English it's "second" derivative, not "double" derivative.)
 
ok you got
[tex] \frac{d^2}{(dx)^2}f[/tex]
its not
[tex] \frac{\mathrm{d^2f} }{\mathrm{d} x^2}[/tex]
 
No, they're the same thing. [tex]\frac{d}{dx}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{d^2}{(dx)^2}[/tex] are operators on functions. It doesn't matter if you put it in the numerator or off to the side, it means the same thing. As for dropping the parentheses, we have two ways we could possibly interpret [tex]dx^2[/tex]. Either [tex]d(x^2)[/tex] or [tex](dx)^2[/tex]. But [tex]x^2[/tex] is completely irrelevant to second differentiation, so it has to be the latter.
 

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