Double Derivative of Curl(F) on Oriented Surface: Using Stoke's Theorem

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Stokes' Theorem is applied to evaluate the double derivative of the curl of the vector field F on a union of a cylinder and a hemisphere. The discussion emphasizes that the integral of the curl over the surface is equivalent to the integral of F around the boundary, which simplifies to the circle at the top of the cylinder. The bottom boundary is capped by the hemisphere, leaving only the top circle for integration. There is some confusion about handling the union of surfaces, but the consensus is that the orientation and boundaries must be carefully considered. The conversation highlights the intersection of mathematical theory and physical intuition in applying these concepts.
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Stoke's Theorem

Homework Statement



F(x,y,z,) = (3x+y)i - zj + y²k;
S = the union of the cylinder {(x,y,z) : x² + y² = 4, 2 < z < 4} and the hemisphere {(x,y,z) : x² + y² +(z-2)² = 4, z < 2}, oriented by P |--> n(P) with n(0,0,0) = -k
Use Stoke's Theorem to evaluate the double derivate of curl(f) [dot] ndS for the vector field F and the oriented surface.


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The Attempt at a Solution



I really don't know how to use stoke's theorem when considering a union, normally I would solve the second piece for when z = 2, thus x² + y² = 4 which gives you a parametrization of <cos(t),sin(t),2> but I don't know how to consider the cylinder. Would I just say <cos(t),sin(t),4> instead to account for the opening and then note that there is a negative orientation?
 
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I my personal sense, stokes theorem may apply in the surface when it is union.You just need to let z=4,and evaluate like your former attempt.

I am not strongly convinced,cause I understand the world with field theory.
And don't sleep so late.
 
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enricfemi, you "understand the world with field theory" and can't do a problem like this? This is the mathematical core of field theory!

Stokes' theorem, in this situation, says that the integral \nabla x \vec{f}\cdot d\vec{S} is equal to the integral of \vec{f} around the boundary of the surface.

In other words, just integrate (3x+y)i - zj + y²k around the boundary of the figure. Normally a finite cylinder has two boundaries: the circle around the top and bottom. Here, the bottom is "capped" by the (inverted) hemisphere but the only thing that matters is that the only boundary is now the circle at the top: {(x,y,z) : x² + y² = 4, z= 4}. That should be easy.
 
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Physics world do have something different form maths ,while HallsofIvy are a professor of mathematics .Just like I cann't sure the discontiguous surface whether fit to stoke's theory out of Maxwell's equations.
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