Double Integral of Exponential Function with Changing Bounds

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral of the function y*e^(x^4-1) with specified bounds. The original poster and participants are examining the correct order of integration and the appropriate limits for the variables involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of switching the bounds for the double integral and explore the implications of this change on the integration process. There are attempts to clarify the correct limits of integration and the reasoning behind them.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct setup for the double integral. Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the region of integration, while others are questioning their initial assumptions about the bounds. The conversation reflects a productive exchange of ideas without a definitive consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original bounds were from y=0 to y=1 and x=y^(2/3) to x=1, which led to confusion regarding the correct limits after switching the order of integration. The need to graph the region of integration has been emphasized to clarify the setup.

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Homework Statement



Double integral of y*e^(x^4-1)
with bounds
0=<y=<1
y^(2/3)=<x=<1

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The Attempt at a Solution


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Well, the first key thing to recognize is that we need the correct order for the bounds to compute this double integral.
So I switch it from x=y^(2/3) and x=1 TO y=x^(3/2) and y=1
and x=0 to x=1 becomes the x boundaries.

So now I integrate with respects to the y boundary first as that is the only way to solve this problem.
I get y^2/2*e^(x^4-1) from y=1 to y=x^(3/2)

This then becomes the integral from x=0 to x=1 of 1/2(e^(x^4-1)-x^3*e^(x^4-1))dx

And I am clueless on how to solve this. I've been trying to do u-substitution for a while now knowing that letting u = x^4-1 and du=x^3 I can work with something.

Did I do something wrong in my previous steps?
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement



Double integral of y*e^(x^4-1)
with bounds
0=<y=<1
y^(2/3)=<x=<1

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
Well, the first key thing to recognize is that we need the correct order for the bounds to compute this double integral.
So I switch it from x=y^(2/3) and x=1 TO y=x^(3/2) and y=1
and x=0 to x=1 becomes the x boundaries.

So now I integrate with respects to the y boundary first as that is the only way to solve this problem.
I get y^2/2*e^(x^4-1) from y=1 to y=x^(3/2)

This then becomes the integral from x=0 to x=1 of 1/2(e^(x^4-1)-x^3*e^(x^4-1))dx

And I am clueless on how to solve this. I've been trying to do u-substitution for a while now knowing that letting u = x^4-1 and du=x^3 I can work with something.

Did I do something wrong in my previous steps?
Graph the region over which the integration takes place.

If ##\displaystyle\ x > y^{2/3}\,,\ ## then ##\displaystyle\ y < x^{3/2}\ ## .

So your limits of integration are not correct for integral with the order of integration reversed.
 
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I believe I did, where it is 'close' to a x^2 parabola and the region is beneath x^(3/2) from x=0 to x=1 and from y=0 to y=x^3/2

No?
 
RJLiberator said:
I believe I did, where it is 'close' to a x^2 parabola and the region is beneath x^(3/2) from x=0 to x=1 and from y=0 to y=x^3/2

No?
Right.

y goes from 0 to x3/2..

What is ##\displaystyle\ \int_0^{x^{3/2}} y\, dy\ ## ?
 
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Well, that is just y^2/2 evaluated at the bounds so
x^(3) is what it is.

However, ah...
So you are saying my bounds for y in the initial setup were messed up.

I had them going from y=x^(3/2) to y=1 and you are claiming that they go from y=0 to y=x^(3/2)

Hm. Let me check to see if this makes sense. I'm not sure how this makes sense.
Original bounds have y=0 to y=1. And x=y^(2/3) to x=1.
Switching them results in x=0 to x=1 and y=x^(3/2) to y=1, no?
 
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You should integrate from y=0. Then that -1 will go away.
 
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Why can I integrate from y=0 to y=x^(3/2) instead of y=x^(3/2) to y=1.

How can I do this?
 
RJLiberator said:
Why can I integrate from y=0 to y=x^(3/2) instead of y=x^(3/2) to y=1.

How can I do this?
Look at the following.

SammyS said:
Graph the region over which the integration takes place.

If ##\displaystyle\ x > y^{2/3}\,,\ ## then ##\displaystyle\ y < x^{3/2}\ ## .

So your limits of integration are not correct for integral with the order of integration reversed.
Let me repeat, graph the region of integration.
 
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BINGO.
That makes sense.
In my original interpretation I was taking the incorrect region. This means I need to use y=0 to y=x^(3/2) as the correct region. BINGO. Now let's see how I handle this.
 
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My answer becomes 1/8-1/8e
and I am fairly confident that this is correct thanks to you guys showing me my wrong interpretation of the region. Thank you.
 

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