Doubt about differential Gauss's law

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The discussion revolves around the differential form of Gauss's law, specifically the interpretation of the divergence of the electric field and the charge density involved. Participants explore the implications of the equation and clarify concepts related to electric field behavior in different regions, including uniform and non-uniform charge distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the divergence of the electric field is a measure of flux density at a point, questioning whether this implies uniform flux density across space.
  • Another participant clarifies that ρ represents charge density, not total charge, and emphasizes that it varies with position.
  • A participant explains that the divergence indicates how much flux is created or destroyed at a point, rather than simply passing through it, using the example of a uniformly charged sphere.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the behavior of the electric field inside and outside a uniformly charged sphere, noting that divergence can be zero even with a high field strength.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between divergence and the generation of the electric field, with one participant seeking clearer explanations on this concept.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the charge density is a function of position and that contributions from various types of charges must be considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of divergence and charge density, with no consensus reached on the implications of these concepts in relation to Gauss's law.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the charge density is not a constant but varies with position, and the term "total" refers to contributions from various charge types rather than a finite volume of charge.

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We know that the Gauss's law expressed in the differential form is:

\mathbf{\nabla}\cdot\mathbf{E} = \frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0},

right?

I read at wikipedia that \rho is: the total charge density including dipole charges bound in a material.

I don't understand...

The left side of equation is the divergence of the field vector E (electric field), right?

The divergence is the measure of the flux density at a given point in space (so it's a function of x,y,z considering 3D), right?

So the flux density at any point in the electric field will be different (unless we have uniform field), because in some regions the field lines are more (convergent? next, near, you got it) and in other regions the field lines are more separate, right?

The the right side of the equation is a constant. It is the total charge density divided by the permittivity... So this is telling me that the flux density is the same for ALL points in the space, isn't it?

Or is the density on the right side the density of the point I'm calculating he divergence?

Where am I wrong?

I appreciate the help,
Thank you
 
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\rho isn't the total charge. It is the charge density.
 
Taturana said:
The divergence is the measure of the flux density at a given point in space

No, it's a measure of the flux that is "created" or "destroyed" at a point, rather than simply passing through it. You can have a very high flux density (field strength) at a point, with zero divergence.

Consider the electric field of a solid sphere with a uniform charge distribution. The electric field outside the sphere is just like the field of an ideal point charge located at the center of the sphere. The magnitude of the field decreases as 1/r^2 where r is the distance from the center of the sphere. But the divergence of the field is zero at all points outside the sphere, and so is the charge density.

Inside the sphere the magnitude of the field increases linearly with r, reaching a maximum at the surface of the sphere. But the divergence of the field has the same value at all points inside the sphere, just like the charge density.
 
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jtbell said:
No, it's a measure of the flux that is "created" or "destroyed" at a point, rather than simply passing through it. You can have a very high flux density (field strength) at a point, with zero divergence.

Consider the electric field of a solid sphere with a uniform charge distribution. The electric field outside the sphere is just like the field of an ideal point charge located at the center of the sphere. The magnitude of the field decreases as 1/r^2 where r is the distance from the center of the sphere. But the divergence of the field is zero at all points outside the sphere, and so is the charge density.

Inside the sphere the magnitude of the field increases linearly with r, reaching a maximum at the surface of the sphere. But the divergence of the field has the same value at all points inside the sphere, just like the charge density.

quote from wikipedia: More technically, the divergence represents the volume density of the outward flux of a vector field from an infinitesimal volume around a given point.

It's the same to say that divergence represents the flux density around a given point, isn't it?

I don't know if I get it but then the divergence of a vector field at a point represents how is this contributing with the field "generation"? Could you explain-me it more clearly? (I know it became a mathematics question but I think someone can help me here...)

nicksauce said:
\rho isn't the total charge. It is the charge density.

Yes, sorry, but the question stills the same...
 
Taturana said:
We know that the Gauss's law expressed in the differential form is:

Or is the density on the right side the density of the point I'm calculating he divergence?

Where am I wrong?

I appreciate the help,
Thank you

The charge density is a function of position, ro(x,y,z).
The word "total" here means that you add contributions from free charges, bound charges, etc. All these contributions are functions of position in general.
It does not mean total charge in a finite volume.
So the divergence of E at a given point depends on the charge density at that point.
 

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