Dynamic forces acting on a rolling wheel/sphere

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The discussion centers around the dynamic forces acting on a rolling wheel or sphere, specifically seeking a model that relates these forces to the rotational velocity of the wheel. Participants explore concepts related to rolling resistance and the potential for a force that acts as a rotational viscous damper, excluding air friction considerations.

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  • One participant seeks a simplified model for dynamic forces on a rolling wheel, specifically a force related to rotational velocity.
  • Another participant references a Wikipedia article on rolling resistance, suggesting it may contain relevant formulas.
  • A participant acknowledges rolling resistance but distinguishes it from the desired force, which they believe should depend on velocity and act as a rotational viscous damper.
  • Further suggestions include consulting engineering literature and specific books that may provide insights into the effect of velocity on rolling resistance.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of the forces involved and the relevance of existing models like rolling resistance.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of existing models and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the exclusion of air friction in their considerations.

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Good afternoon,

I've tried to find a simplified model for the dynamic forces acting on a rolling wheel, but have had very limited success. I'm looking for a force that is proportional (or related to) the rotational velocity of the wheel (rotational damping) because of the contact point of the wheel.

Would anyone be able to shed light on this?

Thanks.
 
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Thanks Spinnor,
I am aware of rolling resistance, but I believe that angular velocity of the wheel is a function of only the power required to overcome rolling resistance; whereas I am looking for a force (not power) that has velocity as a dependent. More specifically I am looking for a real-life force that acts as a rotational viscous damper, except that viscosity by air friction is not a consideration.

I had a look at Hertz contact forces but I can only see non-velocity dependent terms.
 
Found some stuff that might be relevant, do you have access to a good engineering library? The following book and ones like it should have what you need. Google let's me see several pages,

http://books.google.com/books?id=NS...tance of auto tire&pg=PA36#v=onepage&q&f=true

Found via Google book search,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=bks&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp

Go down 1/4 of the following page and see figures 4 and 5 along with their explanation, Rolling speed,

http://www.tut.fi/plastics/tyreschool/moduulit/moduuli_8/hypertext_1/3/3_3.html

Good luck!
 

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